Home defense

[Triggerh4ppy]

Originally Posted by TonyF

This is an example of where I would agree wholeheartedly with Gunlawyer (re: the AR for home defense in Philly thread).

Mounting a bayonet on a home defense weapon SCREAMS rambo + criminal intent. That is not a good idea.

I haven't read through this entire thread, is someone actually doing this?

could the lawyer do anything if you used the bayonet by itself ,or what if you Beat him (the intruder not the lawyer)with the shotgun because you couldn't get your trembeling fingers to load the shells properly or he was too close for you to grab any shells i do not know much of the legal side of this matter just got alot of questions,so educate me

[TonyF]

Originally Posted by Triggerh4ppy

could the lawyer do anything if you used the bayonet by itself ,or what if you Beat him (the intruder not the lawyer)with the shotgun because you couldn't get your trembeling fingers to load the shells properly or he was too close for you to grab any shells i do not know much of the legal side of this matter just got alot of questions,so educate me

I honestly don't know where to begin.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by Triggerh4ppy

what if you Beat him (the intruder not the lawyer)with the shotgun

Yeah save the lawyer, you can always beat him with it later if he looses!

Man my computer almost got a washdown with a mouthfull of pepsi again! Welcome to the joker corner, we need more quick whit in here!

[DeltaII5]

Originally Posted by TonyF

This is an example of where I would agree wholeheartedly with Gunlawyer (re: the AR for home defense in Philly thread).

Mounting a bayonet on a home defense weapon SCREAMS rambo + criminal intent. That is not a good idea.

I haven't read through this entire thread, is someone actually doing this?

I only took a picture of mine....I don't actually keep the bayonet on it. I just have the ability since I put a rail/bayonet lug on my 870.

[1911shooter]

Stay with the 870 with an 18" barrel and cylinder bore with the Hornady Tap Buckshot ammo Black box that is.

[dhberry]

Thank you for the opportunity to reply to your inquiry re: home defense with a shotgun. I have had a fairly unique history with the use of shotguns for home defense, as I was not only a Firearms Instructor and Weapons Officer for several police departments, but worked at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta, on the Trauma Team before entering the law-enforcement field. I have personally seen the horrific wounds which shotguns are capable of , especially in close encounters in the home environment. There are just a few things you should take into consideration before commiting to a shotgun defense. First, always think safety! Do not even consider buckshot or slugs in your home, especially if there are children and/or others living with you in the same house, as these loads will inevitably overpenetrate if you miss (Yes, Virginia, you CAN miss with a shotgun, even at close range, if you're rattled enough), thus placing innocents in danger, and they are no more effective than a good ol' low-brass load of target or bird-load #7's or 71/2's. Remember, you're not taking pheasant or doves at 20-40 yards. If, God forbid your home is invaded by some sleaze-ball, he or she will be at spittin' range or closer, and these loads, (which can be purchased at Wal-Mart or K-Mart, etc., in the 100-round pack) will be very effective at stopping this person from doing any harm to you or your loved ones. I have to go to work now, but I will finish my reply this evening when I come home. Thanks and God bless, Dave Berry

[JustinM]

Originally Posted by dhberry

Do not even consider buckshot or slugs in your home, especially if there are children and/or others living with you in the same house, as these loads will inevitably overpenetrate if you miss (Yes, Virginia, you CAN miss with a shotgun, even at close range, if you're rattled enough), thus placing innocents in danger, and they are no more effective than a good ol' low-brass load of target or bird-load #7's or 71/2's.

I don't know where you get your information from...

Directly from The Box of Truth:

"Birdshot as a Defense Load
I have had a lot of questions, summed up as follows: How effective is birdshot (#4, #6, #8, etc.) as a defense load?

We have done tests with various birdshot loads. Birdshot penetrated through two pieces of drywall (representing one wall) and was stopped in the paper on the front of the second wall. The problem with birdshot is that it does not penetrate enough to be effective as a defense round. Birdshot is designed to bring down little birds.

A policeman told of seeing a guy shot at close range with a load of 12 gauge birdshot, and was not even knocked down. He was still walking around when the EMTs got there. It was an ugly, shallow wound, but did not STOP the guy. And that is what we want... to STOP the bad guy from whatever he is doing. To do this, you must have a load that will reach the vitals of the bad guy. Birdshot will not do this.

In fact, tests have shown that even #4 Buckshot lacks the necessary penetration to reach the vital organs. Only 0 Buck, 00 Buck, and 000 Buck penetrate enough to reach the vital organs.

Unless you expect to be attacked by little birds, do not use birdshot. Use 00 Buck. It will do the job."

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

[TonyF]

Originally Posted by dhberry

Do not even consider buckshot or slugs in your home, especially if there are children and/or others living with you in the same house, as these loads will inevitably overpenetrate if you miss (Yes, Virginia, you CAN miss with a shotgun, even at close range, if you're rattled enough), thus placing innocents in danger, and they are no more effective than a good ol' low-brass load of target or bird-load #7's or 71/2's.

I share Justin's disagreement regarding the advocacy of using bird shot. However, I completely agree with the admonition regarding the penetrating capability of buckshot and slugs.

This is precisely why my HD long gun is an AR15.

[MarcS]

an AR-15 will penetrate more Sheetrock than 00 buckshot. Regardless, i still use an AR for home defense.

[KIGY]

I'm in love with my 12ga Winchester Coastal Marine.Great for home defense,very intimidating.It's a keeper.They don't make them anymore.I use 00 buckshot.