New Carry Firearm

[zoey]

I would go with a Glock 23 cannot go wrong with this weapon.
I never had time for a glock in the past but I just went and bought me one
for 499.00 new at Targetmaster. If you our going to use it for carrying go with the 23 or if you like the 9 then the 19.

good luck

[BerksCountyDave]

Is the only thing you have against Glocks the looks? If so, I would suggest getting over it and getting a G26, as long as it fits your hand properly. Glocks are super reliable, my G26 carries very well. Just food for thought. I always thought looks was a silly reason to pass up on a firearm, especially a CCW, since it will be in your holster concealed anyway, and if you DO need to draw it, the looks of your firearm should be the LAST thing on your mind at that moment.

[TwistedCopper]

Get yourself an XD. 4" service model or maybe the Sub Compact. I carry an XDSC in a Crossbreed Supertuck IWB holster all day long comfortably. Driving, sitting, walking...whatever.

Take your pick of caliber - 9mm, 40S&W, .357Sig... If you are a 1911 guy the XD will point naturally for you and the trigger will be closer to a SA than a Glock is. This is because the XD's striker is fully cocked while the Glock is at 60%.

[Big D]

It may not be to your liking. I just picked up a Smith & Wesson 442 for concealed carry. Small light @ 15oz empty. holds 5 rounds of 38+p. I paid $385 Brand New.

[synergy]

People like the ergo's on the XD, and some like the grip safety.
It also has an ambi mag release (advantage over the Glock, or M&P).
However, the mags tend to wuss out, the slide is very wide, and the gun is quite heavy. It has the highest bore axis (most muzzle flip) of any of these guns. Availability of parts and holsters isn't as good as the Glocks. They have also had some finish problems, and have more parts in the gun than alternatives.

The Glocks have their reputation, availability of parts/ holsters, light weight, and simple design in their favor. It also has a fantastic trigger "reset", and a minimum of parts.
However, some people don't like the grip angle, the controls are for a righty, and some people freak out about not having more "safeties". It also comes with plastic sights as a base model...(but can be had w/ nightsights w/in your budget.) Their customer service leaves a little to be desired.

The M&P has good ergos, can be run left or right handed, has great customer service, and has pretty good weight/ dimensions.
However, it has fewer safety features than the Glock, has been going through some teething problems, has the least number of holsters available (of the guns mentioned so far) and has the heaviest trigger of any of these.


I've shot, owned, and carried all three. Of all of these, the Glocks (19) still fit my bill, the best.

The HK's are the most expensive, hardest to get parts for, have the worst customer service, the least # of holsters, and the worst triggers (stock p2000's or USP's). That and their general policy towards American civilians of "You suck, and we hate you"...I just don't see why I should be buying guns from "Zee Germans".

[FromMyColdDeadHands]

cant say i have had problems with my USPC 45 ACP...GREAT GUN!!! but if you want a 9mm then go for a Sigarms P250 9mm, best of all you will have the oppourtunity to build several other guns just buying accessories. www.sigarms.com Check it out...i have one and it shoots AMAZING!!!

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by synergy

People like the ergo's on the XD, and some like the grip safety.
It also has an ambi mag release (advantage over the Glock, or M&P).
However, the mags tend to wuss out, the slide is very wide, and the gun is quite heavy. It has the highest bore axis (most muzzle flip) of any of these guns. Availability of parts and holsters isn't as good as the Glocks. They have also had some finish problems, and have more parts in the gun than alternatives.

The Glocks have their reputation, availability of parts/ holsters, light weight, and simple design in their favor. It also has a fantastic trigger "reset", and a minimum of parts.
However, some people don't like the grip angle, the controls are for a righty, and some people freak out about not having more "safeties". It also comes with plastic sights as a base model...(but can be had w/ nightsights w/in your budget.) Their customer service leaves a little to be desired.

The M&P has good ergos, can be run left or right handed, has great customer service, and has pretty good weight/ dimensions.
However, it has fewer safety features than the Glock, has been going through some teething problems, has the least number of holsters available (of the guns mentioned so far) and has the heaviest trigger of any of these.


I've shot, owned, and carried all three. Of all of these, the Glocks (19) still fit my bill, the best.

The HK's are the most expensive, hardest to get parts for, have the worst customer service, the least # of holsters, and the worst triggers (stock p2000's or USP's). That and their general policy towards American civilians of "You suck, and we hate you"...I just don't see why I should be buying guns from "Zee Germans".

If the HK416 upper or complete rifle is ever offered in the civilian market, I won't buy it. That thing has been around for years and they refuse to make a semi auto civilian version. They can piss off. Their guns are overprices and their pistols leave much to be desired when it comes to reliability in brutal conditions. The Glock and XD have it beat in that department. Haven't seen an "extensive" abuse test on the M&P yet. I have heard the ability to change the backstraps on the M&P is a nice feature, just felt weird in my hands though.

[SuperMoose]

There is a lot of HK bashing going on, I don't care for it as I love my HK but everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm not going to get into a pissing match about it.

http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.ph...ht=break+p2000

Project Break My P2000 (not mine)

I'll leave that for some food for thought for the original poster. Best thing to do is go down to the gun shop and hold a bunch of the guns you are considering, see what feels good.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by SuperMoose

There is a lot of HK bashing going on, I don't care for it as I love my HK but everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm not going to get into a pissing match about it.

http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.ph...ht=break+p2000

Project Break My P2000 (not mine)

I'll leave that for some food for thought for the original poster. Best thing to do is go down to the gun shop and hold a bunch of the guns you are considering, see what feels good.

I don't have anything against HK except for their prices and the fact that they seem to ignore the civilian market when it comes to anything other than handguns.

[Rule10b5]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

If the HK416 upper or complete rifle is ever offered in the civilian market, I won't buy it. That thing has been around for years and they refuse to make a semi auto civilian version. They can piss off. Their guns are overprices and their pistols leave much to be desired when it comes to reliability in brutal conditions. The Glock and XD have it beat in that department. Haven't seen an "extensive" abuse test on the M&P yet. I have heard the ability to change the backstraps on the M&P is a nice feature, just felt weird in my hands though.

I'm with you on H&K having shitty policies, high prices, and the worst customer service in the business, but they make some damned fine handguns. I have found the USP series (and it's derivatives) to be a tiny, tiny bit more reliable than Glocks. And I only say that because I had a G32 beat its internals to death, which necessitated replacing all the springs, cross pins, and locking block (which actually shattered). I'm not selling my Glocks to buy H&Ks -- I'm just noting my experience. I still prefer Glocks, by far, if for no reason other than easy availability of parts, accessories, and their ease of repair and tweaking.