FYI senate judiciary committee hearing on HB1845

[Mtbkski]

It is when you hear the good news. That your glad you took time to get your views out to those that make the decisions. Thanks to everyone else that found time to write and express their concerns.

All that is needed for Evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing at all. Nothing at all.

[WhiteFeather]

Originally Posted by PisnNapalm

Good news but do you think Fast Eddy will sign it?

Absolutely the governor will sign this bill IF we gun owners do our part and get this to his desk HE WILL SIGN IT INTO LAW.

All kinds of anti-gun people have hailed this bill as a must have measure to stop gun violence and we have numerous articles and quotes to bury them with their own words if necessary.

When in reality all that the original bill HB 1845 did was increase the penalties of destroying or removing firearm serial numbers in existing law from a misdemeanor to a felony. Big deal its another in a the long list of UFA sections that is seldom ever used by the DA’s What is funny as hell, WE high jacked their bill and used the same procedural tricks that the AG politicians use on us all the time to escape the bottleneck that the current house judiciary chairman has placed before US for our PRO-GUN bills.


Under house rules you can ONLY attach amendments to similar bills or similar subjects in existing codes, for example they can NOT take a sewage environment bill and amend it with a piece of gun legislation. But since HB 1845 was a straight bill amending a section of the UFA is was prime vehicle to do this, the was also the hidden plans of the AG side.

We would have preferred all them to be straight clean up or down votes, EXCEPT the AG politicians won’t fight fair, so we pulled one from their political play book tricks of them. They already had plans for this, we just got there first. We have got many reliable AG politicians personal staffer that like what we do to fight for their families gun rights, even IF their bosses are anti-gun they feed us classified intel on what their AG bosses have plans for US. You would be surprised what counter offensive we can mount with a 2-3 day advance warning notice.

One of thing you all should understand is the tremendous political power the gun owners have IF we could just get them personally involved in the political process in Harrisburg.

Why do you think the all of the AG politicians absolutely hate our gun owner interactive legislative lobby events (see political section April 7 second amendment second to none event). The Anti-gun groups have to pay, bribe or provide everything “FREE” to their anti-gun sock puppets continuants for even a photo op.

That is why We take informed gun owners with a team leader to directly speak with and engage in conversations legislators on the importance of firearms rights on what works and what dosen't, EDUCATION with FACTS and FIGURES is the key to wining the debates. We are shifting and framing the debates.

Again a big THANK YOU to all that did your part is made all the differance in this vote.

[pex]

Is there any reason we've settled on LTCF only for state parks?

[gnbrotz]

Originally Posted by pex

Is there any reason we've settled on LTCF only for state parks?

See amendment text below:

§ 6109. Licenses.
11 * * *
12 (m.1) Inconsistent provisions.--Notwithstanding the
13 provisions of section 7506 (relating to violation of rules
14 regarding conduct on Commonwealth property), 75 Pa.C.S. § 7727
15 (relating to additional limitations on operation), or the act of
16 June 28, 1995 (P.L.89, No.18), known as the Conservation and
17 Natural Resources Act, and regulations promulgated under that
18 act, a firearm may be carried as provided in subsection (a) by:
19 (1) a law enforcement officer whose current
20 identification as a law enforcement officer shall be
21 construed as a valid license to carry a firearm; or
22 (2) any licensee.
23 (m.2) Construction.--Nothing in this section shall be
24 construed to:
25 (1) Permit the hunting or harvesting of any wildlife
26 with a firearm or ammunition not otherwise permitted by 34
27 Pa.C.S. (relating to game).
28 (2) Authorize any Commonwealth agency to regulate the
29 possession of firearms in any manner inconsistent with the
30 provisions of this title.
31 Section 1.1. Section 6110.2 and 6117 of Title 18 of the
32 Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes are amended to read:

33 Amend Bill, page 2, by inserting between lines 23 and 24
34 Section 1.2. The provisions of 17 Pa. Code § 11.215
35 (relating to weapons and hunting) are abrogated to the extent


1 they apply to any person identified under 18 Pa.C.S. § 6109(m.1)
2 (relating to licenses).

Bold added by me. The bold portion seems to read a bit like PA's preemption statute. To me, it provides the ability to OC without a license (because that is consistent with the law) and does not allow them to establish or enforce their own regulations outside of the provisions of this amendment.

I'm open to other opinions or interpretations of this language.

[WhiteFeather]

Last session 2005-2006 We wrote and fixed the LTCF permits with hunting and the PGC over stepping their regulatory powers, this is the same process with state parks and the DNCR.

We are trying to fix the LTCF permits and national parks right now, I hope you wrote a letter of support. IF NOT read this link on how to do your part.

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/national-...ark-carry.html

Originally Posted by pex

Is there any reason we've settled on LTCF only for state parks?

explain?

One thing with enacting legislation its NOT an easy process NOR should it EVER be otherwise it would be even easier to take our rights away. We keep chipping off problems sections or making correction to the UFA one session at a time.

Pex, You or anyone find away to get 15-20 thousand Educated, Dedicated Volunteer gun owners to Harrisburg next session for a lobbying event(s) and have them all follow up any introduced legislation on a weekly basis, get them work as a team towards fighting for common goals, we could get anything we want enacted into law or any stupid, non effective gun control law now in UFA repealed.

If anything we only settled for taking small steps is from lack of gun owners direct involvement in the process, We hope to change that with PAFOA people shaking thing up in Harrisburg.

[Shawn.L]

the vote on this comes up in Sept, right ?

who should I be writing ?

this post doubles as a bump

[Pro2A]

Welll I've said time and time again... if PA turns into a typical North East style anti-gun state. I'm packing up my firearms and moving to Virginia.

[Mtbkski]

We need to get word out that we aren't happy. Who do we write???

[LittleRedToyota]

according to this:

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...type=B&BN=1845

the bill is currently in the appropriations committee. assuming that is up-to-date and the vote being discussed is actually in the appropriations committee, and not the judiciary committee, it would seem good to contact senators who are on the appropriations committee. (though whitefeather mentioned something about contacting all 50 senators in another thread.)

here is the list of senators on the appropriations committee. it seems like they would be the best people to contact.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...m?cde=5&body=S

APPROPRIATIONS


Officers
Armstrong, Gibson E. , Chair
Tomlinson, Robert M. , Vice Chair
LaValle, Gerald J. , Minority Chair
Pileggi, Dominic , ex-officio
Mellow, Robert J., ex-officio
Scarnati, III, Joseph B., ex-officio

Majority
Browne, Patrick M.
Corman, Jake
Gordner, John R.
Greenleaf, Stewart J.
Madigan, Roger A.
Pippy, John
Rafferty, Jr., John C.
Regola, Bob
Rhoades, James J.
Vance, Patricia H.
Waugh, Michael L.
White, Mary Jo

Minority
Boscola, Lisa M.
Fumo, Vincent J.
Logan, Sean
Musto, Raphael J.
Stack, Michael J.
Stout, J. Barry
Tartaglione, Christine M.
Wozniak, John N.

if you follow the link above, you can click on each name to get contact info for that senator.

it would be especially helpful if everyone who lives in their senatorial districts would contact them...after all, that means you are actually a vote that effects that senator.

i'm thinking that, if writing to an anti-gun senator, though, you might just want to urge them to vote for the bill, but not say why (as this is also being touted as a stiffer gun control bill by the anti-gunners). or at least say something like "i think it is important to stiffen the penalties for criminal use of guns while protecting the rights of law abiding citizens to carry guns for self-defense against those criminals."

just for everyone's info, here is a link where you can find out who your senator is:

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/find.cfm

[LittleRedToyota]

actually, according to a more recent post by WhiteFeather in this thread:

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...tml#post403594

this bill is already out of committee and is up for a full senate vote in early september.

so, definitely write your senator (see the link at the bottom of my post above to find out who your senator is and get contact information for him/her).

and, writing any or all other senators could not hurt either.

i wonder if anyone can provide an electronic file with their names and addresses so people could do a mail merge in word or something to generate letters for all 50 of them?