Huh??? Savage model "Savage Shorty" suppressed rifle???

[forceinPA]

+1 same for cans too. they can also be sold to PD's and other goverment agencies.

[Gun Bowanna]

Okay, this has gotten way off topic, (and no I'm not a moderator.)

I was responding to the OP as to why he and the other fellows here cannot get the Savage Shorty.

Then I'm called a troll by PEX, 'cause why, I didn't post a atf reference and you don't believe what I have to say as to why he can't have one?

Now everyone else here is referencing Post-sample MG's.

Guys, the guy wants to know why he cannot get a SAVAGE .22Lr Factory Suppressed bolt action.


Come on now, it's made in Canada, and you cannot own a imported silencer.
And that's that.

Hey Gary, check out "john's guns" they make a great copy of that Savage rifle, in Texas.

[forceinPA]

OK, OK, calm down we agree with you. you can get a ruger suppressed from john guns and other manufactures. JUST not the one pictured...

[Mtdew]

Originally Posted by pex

Just so you know...SNIP...Here, maybe you're right. And with my help, you're one step more credible.

umm why not just google:

GCA 1968

and you'd of found the entire document on the ATF website

http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/gca.htm

He's right, your wrong get over it.

[Stack]

Wow, what the hell is going on with this board and some of it's members? I'm starting to think that the more posts under one's belt = more attitude.

GB, I for one would like to apologize for such ridiculous treatment by fellow members. It is uncalled for and just plain rude.

A man asked a question, you answered it (correctly) and you catch heat for it. Makes no sense.

What happened to the good old days?

Here's my cite:

85499. Attitude

No person on this board shall act like a complete and total donkey until it is proven that they are indeed, a donkey. Even then, you may not act like a donkey unless the following is apparent:

(1) You are pulling a barge down a canal
(2) You are carrying some sad soul down the Grand Canyon
(3) You have no idea what this means

[pex]

This hasn't gotten off topic.

Are you guys new to the Internet?

Does it not make sense to you that posting citations makes your post more valuable? Do you not feel this is especially true for people under 50 posts?

Let's review the thread, shall we?

The OP tells us he finds an integrally silenced rifle and only finds it for sale in New Zealand.

1) New Zealand is not the United States.

OP asks if there's an export model and if US dealers can get it (without specifying how it would be begotten.)

2) Laws regulating importation do not seem to be (in my reading) common knowledge here. We don't know if Gary would expect importation, or simply manufacture or similar in the US.

3) Gun Bowanna jumps in and gives us info on the out-of-county origin of Savage firearms and mentions importation law without citation. Gun Bowanna has less than 50 posts at the time.

4) I merrily suggest, myself not knowing about this particular section of statute, and having not read a boardwide collective consciousness about importation law, that Gun Bowanna provide the source of his mention regarding the law.

At no time do I call Gun Bowanna a troll. I don't think he is a troll and therefore do not call him that. In my nearly 1000 posts, I have called out 2-3 trolls using 2-3 posts total, and do so plainly.

I tell Gun Bowanna that he must have found his information somewhere, and we can't know where, so it would be helpful, and would validate his post, if he provided the source or an excerpt. He could be anybody, and he helps to prove his point by certifying his information.

Because I'm interested in the source, too, I use my search magic to cite what he may or may not have been able to cite in the first place -- that in the tax code there is a restriction on 'firearm' importation, and that probably includes the NFA definition of the word firearm, which includes sound suppressors.

Such a search isn't exhaustive. Therefore, I do not tell him or anyone that he is right, only that such a law is on the books from what I feel to be a reputable source (I don't know if I consider the ATF reputable -- consider they don't even have a compendium of State laws published for 2007, and that they make up their own law and interpretations). That makes what he said more likely to be valid, but that section of statute doesn't just 100% validate what he says.

If everyone is citing, excerpting, and linking information related to their claims, which thousands of claims are made daily on these forums, it provides a more trustable flow of information. Less people are spending time validating claims by independent searching, because the people who KNOW their sources have already posted them.

The problem with this forum is not me not harming you. The problem with this forum is users crying about suggestions which clearly benefit the forum and the poster. It's fine to make an unfounded claim; I just made some above about the ATF. But you're less likely to believe me, and you should be, because I don't provide proof. And that's the way people are going to approach Gun Bowanna or anyone else who talks about law without proof.

This is a forum with thorough implications on action due to the law. Don't you think it's important to not fling rumors and to instead try to stick to facts, to protect the self and the community?

And that's that.

[JayBell]

the GCA of 68 has been around since...1968

its common knowledge in the NFA community that foreign made MGs and suppressors cannot be imported by anyone for civilian owners since that time.

its part of the GCA of 68.

theres no need for any rudeness or infighting over laws that have been in place for 20 to 40 years....

if you are unfamiliar with NFA, I suggest you learn by reading James Bardwells NFA FAQ:

http://http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/...st/nfa_faq.txt



further, posting of correct knowledge has no relation to post count, post count means nothing, get over it.

theres plenty of people on this forum that have HUGE post counts, and I wouldn't take any measure of knowledge or advice from them on almost anything.

put this thread back on topic, and stop the crap please.

I've deleted some junk posts from this thread already, dont make me lock it.

[Gary in Pennsylvania]

Thanks everyone for their comments and replies!

I found an American business that, at one time, offered an over-the-barrel integrally suppressed Savage called the Savage Sentry -
http://www.triplebreakproducts.com/A...anu/sentry.htm

But it looks like American Manufacture (the rifle builder, not the reseller like Triple Break) has gone defunct. (run his url on the WayBack Machine.....looks like he got into an UGLY predicament!!!!!)

Anyhow.....I got another suggestion to check out John's Guns in Texas.
He apparently does one as well - though I'm not too crazy about that thumbhole stock....I'd prefer a more traditional looking composite/synthetic black stock.



From here: http://www.johnsguns.us/intrifle.htm
I really dig that Ruger 77/22 as well!

I e-mailed a price inquiry (on the Savage) to John's Guns and got this reply:

That Savage is one of the quietest guns we have ever built! But I will be the first to admit that the laminate stock isn't for everyone. It was a limited edition done by one of the distributors and was very popular. It may even be already gone. If there is a particular Savage model that you are interested in, I'll work you up a quote.

Not too much info - but I'm sure I'm looking at $550+ for such a set-up.

[Mtdew]

If you are looking for someone to build a integral savage check out

http://www.libertycans.net/ David Saylors does custom work. His new thread mount "shoofly" can recently tested well.

or

http://www.srtarms.com/ Doug Melton has been around a long time, is well respected in the NFA/"Silencer" community and takes on custom work.