1ST time buyer SBR/NFA timeline..

[Snert]

woohoo, stil waitin...

[fullauto223]

My form 4's came in on saterday and picked up my two SBR's today

will post a couple of better pics soon

[ithinkimamedic]

Originally Posted by fullauto223

My form 4's came in on saterday and picked up my two SBR's today

will post a couple of better pics soon

This is me hating you!

[fullauto223]

How does that saying go- Hate the game man, not the player or something like that

[fullauto223]

some new pics of the my new SBR's, I'm gonna post them in gun pics also

[Snert]

Oh sure, go ahead rub my nose in it.. startin to feel like a puppy who made a mess...

NICE SBR's...See now im gettin' the jitters.. I just hope the papers get here before going to knob creek...But at this point it guess its just wishful thinking.

oh well ill just go sit in the corner and play with the foam shape cutout...
---I bought a stock from them as well from GB. They shipped it and used the laser cut out from the case of the SBR for padding..The wife keeps saying , Gee thats a expensive sponge...

Snert...

[Snert]

Well folks just updated the first post in this thread...Got my stamp today, picked up the SBR on the way home from work..Now to fondle and play....

Over all the whole thing took just under 4 months. I guess I was doing OK till SOMEONE, had to rub my nose in it. But then the brain started thinking something was going wrong, was I getting denied. Well I can't wait to get to the range , now if the dang rain would just stop....

Snert...

[fullauto223]

Snert, congrats on bringing your new toy home.

can't wait for range report


all we need to do now is get 11-13K in cash for some registered sear packs to make our H&K clones ROCK & ROLL

[Gun Trust Lawyer, David G]

Just wanted to update everyone with a list of FAQ's regarding purchase, sale, transfer, and moving Title II firearms under the NFA. If you have any additional questions I would be happy to answer them. I put this list together in dealing with the many questions posed and asked of me directly. Hope this helps in your efforts.

NFA Trust and Firearms FAQ's (be sure to look at all 4 pages)

In addition there seems to be some confusion on how to properly fill out a Form 4 so I created a page to deal with questions and give an example of that also. How to fill out a form 4 for a NFA Gun Trust

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by Gun Trust Lawyer, David G

Just wanted to update everyone with a list of FAQ's regarding purchase, sale, transfer, and moving Title II firearms under the NFA. If you have any additional questions I would be happy to answer them. I put this list together in dealing with the many questions posed and asked of me directly. Hope this helps in your efforts.

NFA Trust and Firearms FAQ's (be sure to look at all 4 pages)

In addition there seems to be some confusion on how to properly fill out a Form 4 so I created a page to deal with questions and give an example of that also. How to fill out a form 4 for a NFA Gun Trust

A potentially useful website. A couple of points, though:

"If you want to purchase a Class 3 firearm from an estate a class 3 dealer must be used as a transfer agent if the items will be crossing state lines. If the executor, item, and the purchaser are in the same state there is no reason to use a class 3 transfer agent.

This is the same whether the class 3 firearm is going to an heir or the state or a third party business or individual."

This may be true in Florida (I don't know, I don't practice there), but some Title II firearms are required by state law to pass through an FFL. Here in PA, for example, transferring a MAC or other MG with a barrel under 16" requires an FFL. An M16 doesn't, since it's not a "firearm" under the default definition of our UFA.
Also, there are no "Class 3" firearms, just "Class 3" dealers, a technicality that many folks miss. Class III FFL's can deal in Title II firearms, AKA NFA-defined firearms.
A final point on this issue, here in PA the seller acquires statutory immunity from a host of legal difficulties if his transfer is through an FFL, so even where not required, there's a good reason for the seller to require the use of an intermediary FFL. When representing an estate in PA, it borders on malpractice to do a private deal for any firearm when the estate can be shielded from liability for the $25 an FFL would charge for a Title I, or even the higher amount that would be charged for a Title II firearm transfer. Defending the estate from a liability suit that could have been prevented easily for a small fee would be unfortunate for the personal represntative and his/her counsel.
Also, is "going to an heir or the state" the intended wording?

"Just like with transfers to individuals, a trustee of a NFA firearms Trust can be a prohibited person. It is important that if all trustees certify that they are not prohibited if a trust contains class 3 firearms. If a trustee becomes a prohibited person they must resign and the ATF must be notified of the change. If there is no trustee, the settlor must appoint a new qualified trustee and also notify the ATF of the change in the trust. The following persons are prohibited from receiving a firearm or being a trustee in a trust that contains items restricted by the National Firearms Act:....."

I'm not sure if the "can be" was a typo or not (I bolded it), but I'd be interested in the basis in the regs or statute for this, in the case of a trust with multiple trustees where possession is restricted to the non-prohibited persons. I know that physical possession by a prohibited person is illegal, and having an equity interest in a firearm is prohibited, but trustees have no equity interest in the trust corpus. So, absent physical access or possession, has ATF formally stated a position on a prohibited person as one of several trustees where the trust includes one or more firearms?

"If you lose your registration documents you are required to immediately report the theft, loss, or destruction in writing to the NFA Branch."

I never heard of this requirement.

"Firearms can be stored at locations other than the address on the firearm registration form, such as a safe deposit box. However, unless the registrant is a Federal firearms licensee who has paid the special (occupational) tax to import, manufacture, or deal in NFA firearms, the NFA Branch should be notified in writing of the new storage location."

I never heard of this requirement, either. Are these from ATF newsletters? Sometimes, ATF exceeds their authority, and it's useful to distinguish things that they would find helpful for us to do, from things that we are statutorily required to do. I would find it useful if you segregated the things that could legally be prosecuted, from the non-binding ATF suggestions. Here in PA, for example, it's very useful to know that state law makes unlicensed concealed carry an M-1 or Felony under 18 PaCSA 6106, while carrying a loaded long gun in your vehicle is just a Summary offense under 6106.1. Similarly, it would be helpful to know that unregistered possession of an MG is significantly more serious than failing to notify ATF that you're keeping you registered MG in your safety deposit box instead of the attic. Maybe a citation to the penalties for each prohibited act would help.

I always enjoy reading NFA FAQs. Details would be more helpful than a recitation of ATF claims, though, and I'd like to see a split between the "shall" requirements and "might want to" suggestions.