Another LTCF shooting!

[PAsig229]

Hi everyone, m new to the forums but Ive been reading on here for a little while now. i read this article and it made me think of a question regarding concealed carry. This man obviously had some pretty accurate feelings regarding what was about to happen to him and im very glad that he reacted the way he did, but my question is would this case stand up to questioning on whether or not it was self defense since the man was never directly met with force? I was under the impression that civilians were only permitted to use deadly force when met with force. could someone clear this up for me?

[P-11 shooter]

Originally Posted by PAsig229

Hi everyone, m new to the forums but Ive been reading on here for a little while now. i read this article and it made me think of a question regarding concealed carry. This man obviously had some pretty accurate feelings regarding what was about to happen to him and im very glad that he reacted the way he did, but my question is would this case stand up to questioning on whether or not it was self defense since the man was never directly met with force? I was under the impression that civilians were only permitted to use deadly force when met with force. could someone clear this up for me?

I'm not really sure as it didn't say if he saw the gun or not, but the guy did have a tec-9. Oh, welcome to the forum. It's my understanding it's NOT legal to use deadly force to protect property or belongings, just life. However the police did call him the victim so it's fair to assume we don't have some important detail(s). I'm torn. I feel bad for the guy who got shot, but it does keep people safe as it shows there are consequences to actions. Maybe someone will think twice before they rob somebody else.

Welcome to the forum.

[Brown-Bear]

Wow. Talk about thinking ahead, he left the alarm system on so the PD would be dispatched. I'm not sure I would have thought of that.

Pasig229.

In my understanding a person may use deadly force if they feel they are being threatened with death,extreme bodily harm, or being threatned with deadly force. Basically it boils down to can you prove to a jury (if the case were to go to court) that you were in fear of your life, or grevious injury.

But then again I'm not a lawyer, so maybe someone will come along and correct me.

Welcome aboard by the way.

Dave

[P-11 shooter]

If someone is brazen enough to rob you in broad daylight, it's not that far of a stretch to think they may harm you as well. I hope the police, and the courts start to realize that it's not ok to let somone violate you and get away scott free just because they don't physically harm you. I hope I never face a situation like that guy did because I hate courtrooms. I'm also not fond of getting robbed. It's a tough split-second decision and we really don't know how threatening those guys were because we weren't in the victims shoes.

[Twister]

It is also worth noting the mis-information about LTCF in the comments from the original link.

[deputy]

Can someone explain to me what a "sucking chest wound" is. Is it more of a fatal wound?

[deputy]

Originally Posted by P-11 shooter

I'm not really sure as it didn't say if he saw the gun or not, but the guy did have a tec-9. Oh, welcome to the forum. It's my understanding it's NOT legal to use deadly force to protect property or belongings, just life. However the police did call him the victim so it's fair to assume we don't have some important detail(s). I'm torn. I feel bad for the guy who got shot, but it does keep people safe as it shows there are consequences to actions. Maybe someone will think twice before they rob somebody else.

Welcome to the forum.

Well I know for a fact in NY you may use deadly physical force in an occupied dwelling if it is yours or you are watching it for someone. You are not required to retreat in your own home. You can not use deadly physical force to protect belongings or property, just physical force is warranted in those circumstances.

[PAsig229]

Originally Posted by deputy

Can someone explain to me what a "sucking chest wound" is. Is it more of a fatal wound?

they call it a "sucking chest wound" because in some cases the wound itself actually makes a sucking noise. basically, since the chest isnt sealed anymore, air can rush through the actual wound when the person inhales. nasty stuff.

[cameraman]

Well done. One less scumbag on the streets. I live about five miles from where this happened. It just reinforces why I carry.

[Keith4001r]

Originally Posted by deputy

Can someone explain to me what a "sucking chest wound" is. Is it more of a fatal wound?

A sucking chest wound means there's a hole in your lung and every time you try to breathe, air is sucked in through the hole. Not always fatal, but never a good thing. Med guys, correct me if I'm wrong.


Keith
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