PA LTCF holder kills man in defense of self and others

[Asmodeus6]

Its 'possible' that the shot into the leg was more of him thinking thru his target. It doesn't paint a graphic picture detailing where the women were in regards to him, the attacker, other witnesses. Maybe its possible in his alignment with the attacker a straight thru situation could have left someone else in danger. So he aimed down and away letting the attacker get close enough to ensure (self defense) and a low angle of trajectory.

He may have done a few things wrong by the 'books'. But by no means does this guy seem like an idiot. + he got cleared and is uninjured. So maybe he thought it thru more than he's given credit for. Letting the guy get close enough to tear his clothes, warning shot... all work real good in a self defense argument. Especially since he shot an UNARMED man. Think about that! A vital shot in an area that John Q Public would interpret as an attempt to only wound... the public admission of seeing a therapist. (showing personal trauma at the hand of violence/loss of life) 100% cooperation with the police... (stupid but the media expects the gesture from an innocent person)

I don't think you guys are giving this guy enough credit if you REALLY look at it. It looks like he knew exactly what he was doing and got his ass cleared ASAP with no legal BS.

Not bad for someone who;
A: could have fled.
B: was in no immediate danger if he remained in his vehicle (or left)
C: shot an unarmed assailant.

[crakkajakka15]

Originally Posted by Asmodeus6

Its 'possible' that the shot into the leg was more of him thinking thru his target. It doesn't paint a graphic picture detailing where the women were in regards to him, the attacker, other witnesses. Maybe its possible in his alignment with the attacker a straight thru situation could have left someone else in danger. So he aimed down and away letting the attacker get close enough to ensure (self defense) and a low angle of trajectory.

He may have done a few things wrong by the 'books'. But by no means does this guy seem like an idiot. + he got cleared and is uninjured. So maybe he thought it thru more than he's given credit for. Letting the guy get close enough to tear his clothes, warning shot... all work real good in a self defense argument. Especially since he shot an UNARMED man. Think about that! A vital shot in an area that John Q Public would interpret as an attempt to only wound... the public admission of seeing a therapist. (showing personal trauma at the hand of violence/loss of life) 100% cooperation with the police... (stupid but the media expects the gesture from an innocent person)

I don't think you guys are giving this guy enough credit if you REALLY look at it. It looks like he knew exactly what he was doing and got his ass cleared ASAP with no legal BS.

Not bad for someone who;
A: could have fled.
B: was in no immediate danger if he remained in his vehicle (or left)
C: shot an unarmed assailant.

Thats exacly the point i was trying to convey in my posts...well said. We were there we dont know.

[Siobhra]

Originally Posted by Skullz

No, you can't. Well, maybe you can - but rather quickly isn't an option in most civilian encounters. I just returned from a CQB class as Sig Sauer - in every situation they put us in, almost no one would have the skill to draw and chamber around and get a shot off - especially in true CQB where the enemy is literally a foot or less away from you and your non-dominant hand is striking the attacker and defending your head.

Everyone has an opinion, so take it for what it's worth, but if one is carrying a semi-auto firearm in anything other than condition 1, one should re-think carrying a firearm at all.



C.O.M., C.O.M, Failure Drill - you shoot to stop the threat period.

Next, you do everything within your power to NOT talk to the police for 48 - 72hrs. Lawyer up.

For normal situations I don't carry with a round in the pipe. Around the neighborhood, to and from work, gym, etc.
Long trips on the highway, into the city, late at night, there is something in the pipe. The first week I had the carry permit I carried the gun empty. Twice it went off while I was handling it. If it had been loaded I would have shot my foot off. Yes, that was years ago and I am much more careful today. But, and that is a big 'BUT' I am not "comfortable" yet to carry in the pipe if I don't have to. Guns are not something to "Push your limits" with.

If I have to shoot, (no other choice) my shot will be to kill. Trying to stop threats means cooler, take time for careful aim, shots. If I am shooting it is because he is coming and he is near. I might not have time for a second shot. It he is far away then I will run if I can.

But I am glad to hear of that 'hip' thing. But I do worry about what happens if he lives. Will he sue me?

[Noah_Zark]

Originally Posted by Emptymag

. . . Precisely why I stopped giving asshole drivers "the bird", and started letting stupid shit slide after I started carrying.
What a damned mess to have to kill someone because his "asshole factor" . . .

+1. Not worth flipping off some asshole driver.

Noah

[The Drew]

Lessons that the shooter should have learned...

Don't shoot a warning shot, if an attacker isn't scared off by the presence of a gun a warning shot isn't going to scare him away either...

Don't shoot to wound, it's a harder shot, if you make it, it can be just as deadly but takes longer to stop the threat.

DO carry one in the chamber. Next time you might not have the luxury of time to rack the slide and confront the assailant...

[Evolution]

One thing I definitely agree with is that he should have been carrying a round in the pipe. As far as warning shot's and shooting to wound. We were not there so we don't actually know the entire story. Maybe it wasn't a warning shot. Maybe he missed and said yeah it was a warning shot. Then the second round hit him in the leg. And he was like I did that on purpose just to try and stop him, when actually he was aiming for center mass. Maybe this guy was just a bad shot? I mean he did wait until the guy practically hugged him until he fired the fatal shot.

On a serious note though. We weren't there and we really have no way of knowing for sure how we would act in this situation. Kudos to the guy for standing up for the safety of others in which he clearly had no duty to do.