PCN-TV Pennsylvania's Gun Laws debate 5-19-08

[fingers80002]

Everyone from here who got through,and it sounded like many!!!!!!!!

I will give you rep if you were a caller!!!!!!!!!!!

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I started a thread in the General Forum,could someone please delete it? I'm sorry but I was so excited that I forgot about this thread. Mr. Stolfer,as well as most of the callers,(wonder who they were...)hammered Grace on the facts. Slippery s.o.b. sidestepped the real issue for an entire hour though.Standing O. for Mr. Stolfer And everyone who got through please!

[stephpd]

Way to go guys!!!!!
All pro 2A questions were articulate. 1 articulate anti gun but wrong. The nut case from Philly 'ban all guns' was also a big help to the cause.

Can't help feel that Joe Grace might have felt out gunned. No real support for his group on this show.

Being on the border to your state I had a question but felt it better to keep it instate.

I'd ask Kim to use many different sources. I know the FBI crime reports will help us. They give 78% of gun crimes by people with prior felonies.

Poor Joe as a former DA and worked with Mayor Street he is part of the problem of crime control. He didn't look comfortable talking about that.

Reasonable gun control. 20,000 gun control laws in this country and not one has ever shown to stop a crime. How many more?

Liked the flashing of just the PA portion of that by Kim.

Keep pushing for crime control!

Is it possible to find out how many felons Joe plea bargained while a DA.?
Might be able to put egg on his face and fry him as part of the problem

[bogey1]

i missed it, anywhere where i can listen to a taped version?

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Originally Posted by stephpd

Way to go guys!!!!!
All pro 2A questions were articulate. 1 articulate anti gun but wrong. The nut case from Philly 'ban all guns' was also a big help to the cause.

Can't help feel that Joe Grace might have felt out gunned. No real support for his group on this show.

Being on the border to your state I had a question but felt it better to keep it instate.

I'd ask Kim to use many different sources. I know the FBI crime reports will help us. They give 78% of gun crimes by people with prior felonies.

Poor Joe as a former DA and worked with Mayor Street he is part of the problem of crime control. He didn't look comfortable talking about that.

Reasonable gun control. 20,000 gun control laws in this country and not one has ever shown to stop a crime. How many more?

Liked the flashing of just the PA portion of that by Kim.

Keep pushing for crime control!

Is it possible to find out how many felons Joe plea bargained while a DA.?
Might be able to put egg on his face and fry him as part of the problem

That would be a HUGE gold nugget!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by stephpd

Way to go guys!!!!!Can't help feel that Joe Grace might have felt out gunned. No real support for his group on this show.

Did you see fear in his eyes or was it just me?

[stephpd]

Originally Posted by headcase

LMMFAO, a disabled female gets to justify the SKS to Grace, lol!

+100 for that.

And her problem with the neighbor's kids skating under the thin blue line.

The best caller by far.

Any way to find out who she is? We owe her.Big time!

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Originally Posted by stephpd

Any way to find out who she is? We owe her.Big time!

+ 10000000000000 to that.

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Originally Posted by p-11 shooter

The part that get's me is that grace is calling for gun shops to voluntarily stop selling sks's to law abiding citizens because of the killing of a police officer.

Then admits that the gun used to kill said police officer was bought in north carolina and got here through several illegal transactions.



SO how will this stop crime in philladelphia?

I think the last BG they caught with the man hunt admitted they stole it.

[CCinPA]

Originally Posted by knighthawk06699

Kim was fantastic I was so very proud. Mr Grace on the other hand did nothing but dance around many of the questions. One statement that Mr.Grace made was that from 1994 -2004 violence with "Assault" style weapons was down, that tells me that AWB was ineffective and waste of the nations time and budget. I will say the comment of the night goes to the older disabled lady that called in to tell Mr.Grace what purpose the SKS has in the American culture. I love it when come together as a unit and stand up for what it is we believe in. A giant +1 to the entire 2A community.

Well here he my honest observation and please DO NOT take this the wrong way as I think everyone knows the side I am on.

Kim did a great job but remember PCN decided what calls got through and when to cut a caller so they could not respond back to questions.

Also I have to say Kim is just an honest human on air but Grace was nothing more than a manipulating Clintonesque type full of half truths and out right lies.

Who will the general public take too, honesty or Clinton type deception with a smile? Remember America voted for Clinton for 2 terms and PA was a 2 term winner for him.

We understand the issues and know who was truthful but we do have to remember a ton of Pennsylvanians will fall for the polished BS spewed by Grace.