Man Shot By Officer In Mt. Oliver Had Gun (Sez parents: "They'll PAY for this!")

[reels18]

Originally Posted by Siobhra

That is my point, we don't know. Something is missing with the story. OK we now know he was a fellon. And with 20-20 hind sight we know he was most likely up to no good. But the way we are hearing it the story has a smell to it.

If it were LittleRedToyota who was walking from his car to his house with his gun in his hand the story we would hear was that "some gun nut was seen with a gun in his hand and when the police set their dog on him he shot the dog". "The police had no choice at that time but to shoot and kill Mr LittleRed Toyota".

Would you call from your grave "I had it coming"?

Here is an update of the situation. The story is a little clearer why the perp was stopped.


By Jill King Greenwood
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, May 7, 2008



The day after police gunned down a Knoxville teenager who fatally shot a police dog, authorities released few new details about the killing of Justin Jackson.
The shooting occurred about 7 p.m. in front of the UPMC facility on Arlington Avenue on the border of Knoxville and Mt. Oliver. Police said they are reviewing surveillance tapes from cameras posted at the satellite health care facility.

The officer who fired the shots was identified as Christian Sciulli, an 8-year veteran. He was placed on paid administrative leave while authorities investigate, standard procedure in police-involved shootings.

Police declined to releases additional details.


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"It is still under investigation," said police spokeswoman Diana Richards.
Relatives of Jackson, 19, said the shooting was unjustified.

"This needs to stop. The police are using excessive force and killing young black men," said the victim's father, Donald Jackson of the West End. "It doesn't make sense, this is terrible, and I want answers."

I got your answers Don...your POS kid was carrying a gun and shot a law enforcement officer.

Donald Jackson said witnesses told him his son did not have a gun, and family members said Justin Jackson was not known to carry one.

Police said Justin Jackson had an arrest record for offenses including firearms violations, simple assault, criminal conspiracy, and motor vehicle violations.

Donald Jackson said his son was trying to turn his life around.

"He was a good kid," he said. "He had some trouble as a juvenile, but he was trying to change things. Everyone makes mistakes when they're young, but he didn't deserve this."

Yes Don such a good kid that he has been arrested for firearms violations and simple assault...real gem you raised there

The flag outside of police headquarters is flying at half-staff today. Some officers are wearing a black band over their badges to signify they are mourning a fallen officer.

Police Chief Nate Harper called the shooting "an unfortunate" but justifiable action.

He said the dog's handler and another officer, both in uniform, were driving on Arlington Avenue in a marked police car to respond to a report of shots fired when they spotted Justin Jackson. They stopped because they believed he was carrying a gun, the chief said.

Harper said the handler ordered the dog -- a 6-year-old German shepherd named Aulf -- to attack after Jackson pulled a gun from under his shirt. Both the officer and Jackson fired several shots, the chief said.

Justin Jackson was pronounced dead at the scene by a passing paramedic.

Aulf was shot in the front legs and chest and pronounced dead on arrival at a veterinary hospital.


Jill King Greenwood can be reached at jgreenwood@tribweb.com or 412-321-2160

[ar15jules]

Originally Posted by Siobhra

This one leaves me a bit confused. He was told to show his hands. He did and he had a gun in it. The part I don't see is the officer telling him to drop the gun.

If at the first sight of a gun the officers sic a dog on me the dog is going down. Clear self-defense.

If at the first sight of a gun the human officer starts shooting at me with no warning or anything I will return fire.

Officer or not you just can not open fire. In this case it looks all too much like the guy did the human reaction of defending himself from an attack. Someone swings at you your arm goes up without thinking.

They are not saying where the gun was pointed or if the guy did anything except defend himself from a vicious dog.

I didnt read past your post. Are you kidding me?
Jules

[Emptymag]

From the post above:

Donald Jackson said witnesses told him his son did not have a gun, and family members said Justin Jackson was not known to carry one.

Interesting.
Yesterday, I read a quote from the dead guy's father saying they didn't believe he HAD a gun on him at the time of the shooting.

I realize that a scumbag will always try to blame the results of his own actions on someone else, but puh-leeeze... that would suggest that the police gunned this man down, and then shot their own dog multiple times to cover it up.

Also, I watched an interview at the scene where auy gave a firsthand account of what happened. According to him, it went down as reported. Oh, and since it seems to matter, the witness was a black guy.

[markheck1]

Originally Posted by Siobhra

That is my point, we don't know. Something is missing with the story. OK we now know he was a fellon. And with 20-20 hind sight we know he was most likely up to no good. But the way we are hearing it the story has a smell to it.

If it were LittleRedToyota who was walking from his car to his house with his gun in his hand the story we would hear was that "some gun nut was seen with a gun in his hand and when the police set their dog on him he shot the dog". "The police had no choice at that time but to shoot and kill Mr LittleRed Toyota".

Would you call from your grave "I had it coming"?

I'm not LRT...but if that was the scenario.......I had it coming....
whenever I carry my gun from house to car or car to house, I have it in a holster, and I carry it backwards....


And on another point.....if the officer reasonably suspects you have a weapon under your jacket...they do have the power(notice I didn;t say Right ) to stop you and ask for your LTCF since concealing without it is against the Law...not one that I agree with...but the law none the less

[Philadelphia]

Originally Posted by markheck1

And on another point.....if the officer reasonably suspects you have a weapon under your jacket...they do have the power(notice I didn;t say Right ) to stop you and ask for your LTCF since concealing without it is against the Law...not one that I agree with...but the law none the less

I don't think that's the law.

If you are driving your car down the street, the gov't may not stop you just to see if you have a driver's license, unless they have some other reason to stop you. If they could, you wouldn't be able to drive a mile in an hour, possibly being stopped by every single cop you drove by. There are specific rules and procedures for random checkpoints that protect from unreasonable intrusions.

If just carrying a concealed weapon that printed a little, with nothing more to raise suspicion, gave rise to RAS, the gov't could stop me at every streetcorner as I walked across town. That could turn into a very time consuming and inconvenient walk. Beyond that, keeping and bearing arms is a right. Driving is just a privilege.

I still think that having your hand on the gun does give rise to RAS.

[Mabuz]

Just saw a new update on this...the kid's gun was a stolen .357. Looks like he was trying real hard to turn his life around.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...subid=10101261



Edit: Incase they update the link and it quits working -

PITTSBURGH -- Armed with a stolen .357, a 19-year-old man killed a police dog in Mount Oliver and was shot to death by a Pittsburgh police officer, police Chief Nate Harper said Wednesday night.

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by Siobhra

If it were LittleRedToyota who was walking from his car to his house with his gun in his hand the story we would hear was that "some gun nut was seen with a gun in his hand and when the police set their dog on him he shot the dog". "The police had no choice at that time but to shoot and kill Mr LittleRed Toyota".

Would you call from your grave "I had it coming"?

no...

but, if i had my hands in my pockets...and the police told me to show them my hands...and when i took my hands out of my pockets i had a gun in one...then, yes, i would expect the police to shoot me and would call out from my grave that they were justified in doing so.

already having a gun in your hand that is not pointed at anyone before the police show up is different from pulling a gun out of your pocket in response to their command to show them your hands.

from what i could gather before making my post, the latter is what happened....he responded to the command of "show me your hands" by pulling a gun out of his pocket. so i was responding as if that is what happened. as i said, though, i don't really know what happened.

[KIMBERTLE]

R.I.P. AULF. ANYONE CARRYING A STOLEN FIREARM IS UP TO NO GOOD ANYWAY. I AM GLAD IT ENDED THIS WAY INSTEAD OF ONE OF OUR FELLOW LAW ABIDING CITIZENS GETTING KILLED. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ANOTHER STOLEN GUN TOTING FELON WOULD HAVE POPPED HIM ANYWAY.

[CHAUKA]

Originally Posted by Emptymag

From the post above:
Also, I watched an interview at the scene where auy gave a firsthand account of what happened. According to him, it went down as reported. Oh, and since it seems to matter, the witness was a black guy.

Yep, I seen that as well on the news...

It appears the Grieving family is looking for a pay day?