Cheesesteaks anyone?

[reels18]

uesday, May 6, 2008
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Assault weapons easily obtained, U.D. police superintendent claims
By Vicky Thomas, vthomas@delcotimes.com

According to Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood, obtaining a high-powered assault weapon like the one used in Philadelphia Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski’s murder is simply too easy.

“It’s probably as easy to obtain an assault weapon in society today as it is to buy a cheesesteak,” said Chitwood.

Liczbinski was hit at least five times with a military-style assault rifle Saturday morning after confronting a group of robbers who had held up a bank inside a grocery store, authorities said. Police recovered two vehicles, one of which contained an AK-47 with 25 live rounds that authorities believe was used in the shooting.

“Those types of weapons are in every community in our society. They’re either buying illegally, obtaining it through straw purchases or stealing it from a home or dealership,” said Chitwood, who said police can’t compete with that kind of firepower.
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“You’ve got a police officer armed with a 9 mm and you’ve got a group of terrorists, for lack of a better word, armed with AK-47s. AK-47s should be banned from existence because they’re nothing but kill weapons. You don’t hunt with them, you just kill.”

Purchasing assault weapons in Pennsylvania licensed gun shops and gun shows has been legal for the past four years.

Federally licensed gun dealers telephone state police to run a criminal background check on the buyer and require state-issued photo identification.

The seller and buyer also must fill out an ATF Form 4477, which includes questions about restraining orders, the buyer’s criminal history, and whether the person is buying the weapon for another person.

The Federal Assault Weapons Act, banning the sale of semiautomatic military-style assault weapons, expired in September 2004. The 1994 ban signed by former President Bill Clinton outlawed 19 types of military-style assault weapons ranging from the AK-47 and Colt AR-15, used by the Russian and U.S. military to the so-called Street Sweeper and other revolving-cylinder semiautomatic shotguns. It had also set the maximum capacity of an ammunition magazine at 10 rounds.

The “sunset” provision of the act required it to be renewed by 2004.

“The fact that politicians won’t stand up is outrageous, in my opinion,” said Chitwood. “When the baddies outgun the police officers, it’s a sad commentary of society. It’s just amazing the amount of firepower we see in streets.”

Delaware County District Attorney G. Michael Green declined comment Sunday on the weapons issue.

[knighthawk06699]

Once again we the word assault. From what I read he was shot with a chinese sks. But what in the hell does that matter the guy even said they where not obtained legally. So what in hell is a gun law that only effect honest citizens going to do to criminals? Oh yeah I know make every one a much easier target for the "baddies" as he calls them. If the police are out gunned here is a nifty Idea..equip them properly instead of cutting their budget, Nutter and his club of lackies make exactly zero sense. Lets ban this and this ans then when the honest citizens are in same situation as our law enforcement the criminals can run the city. Ten for shits and giggles lets take three guys who are multiple violent offenders and let them out after they have served their minimum sentence. Animals and morons should be kept in cages, so lets send em to where they belong. If you are to dumb or violent to be in normal society they go away. I am not talking about the mentally unstable they have a disease, yet some of them should be kept under extreme supervision, yo all know the type to which I am referring.

[Jay2125]

I watched this on the new the other day and it sickens me how he was talking like I can go to a corner store and buy an SKS. I t is just stupid the laws they make only hurt the good hones Americans and it makes the criminals richer because if they make more laws to make them illegal then the price on the black market will rise thus making the criminals richer and the honest Americans poor and helpless. A buddy and I at work got into an argument about this at work and he thinks guns should be banned all together. I he want us to be like England I told him if criminals want guns they will find away to get one. Then we will really be like England chasing criminals that have Assault Rifles and we will have billy Clubs lol. This whole thing makes me sick

[SteveXD]

I would love to find the statistic that shows that the crimes with "assualt weapons" remained the same during the AWB.... I bet there would be no difference..

[mikepro8]

Originally Posted by SteveXD

I would love to find the statistic that shows that the crimes with "assualt weapons" remained the same during the AWB.... I bet there would be no difference..

I'm sure there was little or no difference... because the criminals DONT CARE ABOUT BANS.

[OneLungMcClung]

Originally Posted by Superintendent Chitwood

police can’t compete with that kind of firepower.

BULLSHIT. The cops need to up-gun. California made this conversion without any problems after the North Hollywood shootout. San Diego PD - every car has at least a shotgun, and the officer has access to an AR-15 with approval. LAPD has an AR for each officer. Oceanside, CA, mandates that officers carry a side arm along with either an AR, an MP-5 clone, or a shotgun. I have asked cops out here why they don't have a long gun, even a damned shotgun in their cars, and they look at me like I'm crazy.

Again with the "ban"....

I guess I have to ask - what happens when they get banned? Do they disappear? *pOoF*

[DeltaII5]

Originally Posted by SteveXD

I would love to find the statistic that shows that the crimes with "assualt weapons" remained the same during the AWB.... I bet there would be no difference..

I remember some kinda graph that the brady bunch made of percentage of murders with assault weapons it was kinda jib jabby but it started at like 6% went up down up down and ended at like 3%. Of course overall crime i believe slightly increased during that time period. There was a decrease of course, because people couldn't steal those kind of weapons, they stole other guns lol.

[larrymeyer]

Originally Posted by reels18

“It’s probably as easy to obtain an assault weapon in society today as it is to buy a cheesesteak,” said Chitwood.

“Those types of weapons are in every community in our society. They’re either buying illegally, obtaining it through straw purchases or stealing it from a home or dealership,” said Chitwood, who said police can’t compete with that kind of firepower.


“You’ve got a police officer armed with a 9 mm and you’ve got a group of terrorists, for lack of a better word, armed with AK-47s.

Why do the legal people have to suffer for Terrorists ?? Even he admits there not purchased legally

[Jay2125]

That reminds me the Cops in Aston are equipped with an AR-15 in there cars every car has one if a little Sh*t down like mine can do it I think Upper Darby can.

[TaePo]

The word assault in assault rifle does not mean an attack on an individual.

It comes from the military term to attack an enemy position, in the open or entrenched etc.

In the old days, it was held you needed at least a 2 to 1 soldier advantage, preferable at least 3 to 1 to successfully carry a position.

The assault requires that you get in close and use hand to hand if necessary in order to convince the enemy to leave or for your assault to fail and the assaulters retreat.

The weapons are designed for limited rounds (not belt fed), rifled ammo, bayonets for hand to hand and selective fire (eg. full auto originally).

This was for suppressive fire. Suppressive fire gives the assaulting force a psychological and sometimes physical advantage. Suppressive fire is not necessarily accurate. It does not need to be. If you convince the enemy it is super hot to stay where he is and he leaves before you get there, so much the better!

Ten guys with enough ammo and prep can probably take 100 or more now-a-days, if the other side has only bolt action rifles. Of course, shock and awe is best.

So, really, our semi-autos that are assault weapon look-alikes, really are not assault weapons at all. We should not really call them 'assault' weapons to be honest.

If you fire a bottle rocket horizontally from a paper towel tube, does that become an evil bazooka?!