Cop shot 3 times with AK-47 in NE Philly

[JoeWilliams]

Originally Posted by tmg19103

I think the term "black-on-black" crime has become a term of standard lexicon - especially among black community leaders who are seeking to put an end to it.

It is a fact that the vast majority of violent crimes in Philly are committed by African-Americans, but that is also no excuse to label all African-Americans as criminals.

This violence has its roots in growing up in a culture of poverty with single parent homes, no role models, terrible schools, low high school graduation rates, and very few job opportunities when you add this all up. The fact that the people predominantly in these situations in America are urban blacks provides for a very complex issue that has no easy answer, and when you look at the causes there are many, and they started with slavery and the ensuing discrimination that African-Americans have had to live with for generations. Being in such a situation is still no excuse for committing crimes, but as a white American who was raised in a white middle-class suburb with good schools and a supportive family, it is hard for me to cast stones. I do not excuse crime due to a person's background, but not having grown up as a black person in the ghetto with a single, crack addicted mother and no role models or path to success, I can't say how I would have turned out if born into that situation.

Hmmm... I grew up in the hills of WV. I come from one of the poorest families in one of the poorest counties of one of the poorest states in the country. I know a bit about poverty, and I know a bit about being in a place where there actually are no jobs (unlike Philly, which has jobs everywhere you turn, but working is so much harder than welfare.) And, as it happens, I know as much about slavery as those people do, since I've spent every bit as much time as a slave as they have (that would be ZERO, unless some of those gangbangers are a century and a half old).

Reckon I should be a murdering, thieving, raping, drug dealing scumbag, since I've got all the experience for it. Instead I'm a very mildly decorated veteran, a father and husband who goes to work at a job that is all the fun of watching paint dry, but provides fairly well for my family. Not as "glamorous," I suppose, as being a thug, but a heck of a lot more respectable.

I'm tired of reading excuses for these killers, and the choices that only THEY are responsible for. They DO have choices. When I was 17, graduated from high school a year early but with no way of paying for college, I entered the military, a respectable trade. When I got out, got married, had a kid, was going to work at two jobs, just like my wife was doing, we realized that that was no way to provide a life for our son. We did what we had to to keep him fed (again, that was working two minimum wage jobs each, NOT choosing to rob, loot, and pillage), but it was no life. I landed a job in an industry I knew nothing about, in a place where we didn't know a soul, packed our family and the $100 we had into an old Cutlas Supreme with a blown transmission and prayed it to the Philly burbs, moved ourselves into a Salvation Army shelter (a humbling experience but necessary) until our first paychecks, and bettered ourselves.

EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE SCUMBAGS infesting the streets of Philly with their CHOICE to be a criminal had the same choice. But I reckon being honest and respectable is harder work than stealing from those who earn their pay, and killing anyone who gets in your way.

Prayers for the officer who fell victim to one of those people. He was just trying to earn his living like the rest of us, while protecting us from those who have made the conscious decision to be scum. He placed himself between their evil and our everyday lives, and didn't deserve what happened to him.

[tmg19103]

Originally Posted by JoeWilliams

Hmmm... I grew up in the hills of WV. I come from one of the poorest families in one of the poorest counties of one of the poorest states in the country. I know a bit about poverty, and I know a bit about being in a place where there actually are no jobs (unlike Philly, which has jobs everywhere you turn, but working is so much harder than welfare.) And, as it happens, I know as much about slavery as those people do, since I've spent every bit as much time as a slave as they have (that would be ZERO, unless some of those gangbangers are a century and a half old).

Reckon I should be a murdering, thieving, raping, drug dealing scumbag, since I've got all the experience for it. Instead I'm a very mildly decorated veteran, a father and husband who goes to work at a job that is all the fun of watching paint dry, but provides fairly well for my family. Not as "glamorous," I suppose, as being a thug, but a heck of a lot more respectable.

I'm tired of reading excuses for these killers, and the choices that only THEY are responsible for. They DO have choices. When I was 17, graduated from high school a year early but with no way of paying for college, I entered the military, a respectable trade. When I got out, got married, had a kid, was going to work at two jobs, just like my wife was doing, we realized that that was no way to provide a life for our son. We did what we had to to keep him fed (again, that was working two minimum wage jobs each, NOT choosing to rob, loot, and pillage), but it was no life. I landed a job in an industry I knew nothing about, in a place where we didn't know a soul, packed our family and the $100 we had into an old Cutlas Supreme with a blown transmission and prayed it to the Philly burbs, moved ourselves into a Salvation Army shelter (a humbling experience but necessary) until our first paychecks, and bettered ourselves.

EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE SCUMBAGS infesting the streets of Philly with their CHOICE to be a criminal had the same choice. But I reckon being honest and respectable is harder work than stealing from those who earn their pay, and killing anyone who gets in your way.

Prayers for the officer who fell victim to one of those people. He was just trying to earn his living like the rest of us, while protecting us from those who have made the conscious decision to be scum. He placed himself between their evil and our everyday lives, and didn't deserve what happened to him.

Didn't I say these thugs are responsible for their crimes and should be locked up for life? To deny that there is not a social underpinning and to blame guns like Nutter does is what is ignorant. I also gave my thougts to the officers family and stated what a horrific tragedy this is.

Maybe we should just ban guns so these shootings don't happen instead of attacking the social rot? Is that what you are getting at?

[Dredly]

Originally Posted by Grappler

As a life long resident of Philly let me set the record straight. Philly is NOT getting more and more dangerous by the day. The majority of the city is very safe. However, certain sections of the city, which are made up predominately of blacks, are VERY dangerous. Please don't generalize when talking about Philly.

I realize this post may not be politically correct but it is fact. Blacks are responsible for the significant majority of crimes in the city, including murders. And the majority of these murders are black on black, typically drug or gang related. Quite frankly, I hope they continue to keep knocking each other off.

My prayers go out to Officer Liczbinski who was executed today by the black scumbags who were dressed in Muslim garb from head to toe. My brother is an Philly officer in the 24th district where Officer Liczbinski was working.

It's unfortunate that my first post has to be on this topic.

not to be an ass but If thats part of Philly then its an increase in crime in Philly. Newark has nice areas too.. doesn't mean its less of a ****hole

[er2006]

I still live in the City , It is not as bad as most people think or want to believe , I have lived here all my life. I will continue to live here as long as I can . There are problems in every big City. I would recommend that more people look at what is good about any City and enjoy the cultural benefits of this and every other big or large Metropolis. Ed from er2006

[er2006]

I was not trying to hijack this thread . I amsadened by the senseless killing that goes on all over the world , and it pains me to see a cop and a fellow Philadelphiancut down in the prime of life. I have no intention of pointing fingers or casting blame . the people who are responsible for not doing taking the appropriate steps to curb violence in society should be held accountable for the evil behaviour and actions of a few scumbags.

Ed from er2006

[Roscoe]

Very well said JoeWilliams, and everyone else. the point is tmg the man gave his life, left behind 3 children and a wife, while protecting our asses and doing his job.

Actually tmg, I don't give a rats ass about the politics and the blame this socioeconomic bullshit on the white man crap you're spewing.

That no good motherfucker shot and killed a hard working husband and father who was in his prime, doing his fucking job as we asked him to do.

You should have said ..........."I'm saying a prayer for his widow and children"

GOT IT


I guess you should take up a third language there tmg1903, since obviously no one got your point............

So go ahead try to explain yourself again, and pardon me if I didn't waste my time reading your rhetoric..........

[glockguy68]

....my prayers are with the widow and family.......people like those scumbags are the ones who makes us,law abiding citizens to look bad or worst putting our 2nd amendment on danger,there is some people(we)trying to live the american dream,our lives,and others just spitting on our way.......

[tmg19103]

Originally Posted by Roscoe

Very well said JoeWilliams, and everyone else. the point is tmg the man gave his life, left behind 3 children and a wife, while protecting our asses and doing his job.

Actually tmg, I don't give a rats ass about the politics and the blame this socioeconomic bullshit on the white man crap you're spewing.

That no good motherfucker shot and killed a hard working husband and father who was in his prime, doing his fucking job as we asked him to do.

You should have said ..........."I'm saying a prayer for his widow and children"

GOT IT


I guess you should take up a third language there tmg1903, since obviously no one got your point............

So go ahead try to explain yourself again, and pardon me if I didn't waste my time reading your rhetoric..........

Are you blind? I said his family was in my thoughts in my first post in this thread - FIRST THING. I am an agnostic. I don't say prayers. I said it was a tragic event in my first post on this thread - FIRST THING. I have said they should lock the guy up and throw away the keys. I said no matter the socio-economic conditions you are raised in, violence is not an excuse. There was already a tangent going in a few posts on race so I posted a second post addressing that.

Secondly, cops don't protect me. They act as a generally deterent to crime by their presence and they hunt down criminals after-the-fact. I protect myself. All these thugs SHOULD be locked up, but here is the problem - not enough jails and too short jail sentences in Philly where they come out of jail even more animalistic than they went in - and commit even more crime.

So, I would suggest trying to solve the problem before they commit crimes and BEFORE they more kill cops. It is a tragedy this police officer was killed and the first thing I did was offer my thoughts to his family - which were heartfelt in my mind. Now what? Put your head in the sand and attack me or try and solve the problem of all this violence so cops don't get killed? I call for trying to solve the problem. Attacking me when I did eveything you said I should have done in my first post in this thread won't solve the problem.

[Roscoe]

Originally Posted by tmg19103

Are you blind? I said his family was in my thoughts. I am an agnostic. I don't say prayers. I said it was a tragic event. I said they should lock the guy up and throw away the keys. I said no matter the socio-economic conditions you are raised in, violence is not an excuse.

Secondly, cops don't protect me. They act as a generally deterent to crime by their presence and they hunt down criminals after-the-fact. I protect myself. All these thugs SHOULD be locked up, but here is the problem - not enough jails and too short jail sentences in Philly where they come out of jail even more animalistic than they came in - and commit even more crime.

So, I would suggest trying to solve the problem before they commit crimes and BEFORE they kill cops.

Get over your emotions and think a little.

........I may be blind BUT
.......I'm not being emotional here dude.............yep I think yer spouting the same ole socioeconomic crap as before.

So, I would suggest trying to solve the problem before they commit crimes and BEFORE they kill cops.

Ahhhhhhh exactly how would you suggest to solve that problem, I mean before they commit crimes that is.

I protect myself.......................
And I agree the police are for the most part after the fact. But just imagine where we'd be without them.............anyhow back to how you are going to solve the problem....................

[tmg19103]

Originally Posted by Roscoe

Ahhhhh I'm not being emotional here dude.............yep I think yer spouting the same ole socioeconomic crap as before.



Ahhhhhhh exactly how would you suggest to solve that problem, I mean before they commit crimes that is.

I protect myself.......................
And I agree the police are for the most part after the fact. But just imagine where we'd be without them.............anyhow back to how you are going to solve the problem....................

Obviously you don't want to hear how to help solve the problem because you have already attacked it. You have to give those in ghettoes something to live for. The government can't do this, and certainly not the Philly government that sees taking away the guns of law-abiding citizens as solving the problem.

There needs to be financial outreach by corporations and wealthy people to provide better services in regards to schools that actually educate. Those without a lot of money but skills can volunteer some time to provide job skill training. There is a complete lack of role models outside of gangster rappers. Instead of ignoring the ghettoes and letting the problems they create get worse, those outside the ghettoes with more means, education and life skills need to get involved and help teach those children being raised by crack addicted single mothers that there are other options, and by the way, here is a helping hand.

With this comes a sense of self-worth and more of a desire to accomplish something rather than commit crime. Yes, there will always be crime, but with a sense of hope in impoverished neighborhoods and something to live and work for there will be less crime. Then the prisons won't be overcrowded and the real criminals that are so demented that they would kill a cop can remain locked up. I'm willing to bet that the killers of this police officer probably SHOULD have been in jail or under very close post release supervision for previous crimes, but we know since there is so much crime in Philly hardly anybody goes to jail and those who are released are not properly supervised. Since there is not enough money for more jails, it has to be a volunteer effort into the poor communities to help pull them together.

I volunteer my business skills to principals in Philly high schools so they can focus their time on schooling while I help cover the business/adminstrative aspects through the Executive Service Corp. It's my little bit, but if only 1 out of 20 people in the Philly metro area with education and skills were not so focused on themselves and volunteered in these poor communities only a few hours a week these crime infested neighborhoods could be turned around.