Lynne Abraham to Michael Nutter: Gun Laws Unconstitutional, Will Not Enforce

[Garpman]

I don't remember where or when he said this while in his new position as PPDC, but to paraphrase,

"If it were up to me, all concealed carry permits would be gone."

He probably looks down at his service gun with disdain, or with joy in knowing that only he can have one if he gets his way.

[smokey240sx]

so can we still buy ar15 an ak?

[vetter3006]

This shows you why the crime rate will never drop in Philly, Because the ploticians are so busy wasting time in city hall over laws that they can't enforce than to concentrate on prosecuting the real criminals.

[Mohaa Player]

Originally Posted by smokey240sx

so can we still buy ar15 an ak?

You always could,there was never a real law that said you couldn't.I was just at SPAG today for the IDPA match and we where all laughing about Nutter.I'm buying a STAG AR15 in June,and Nutter can't do anything about it.I would love to be arrested under his illegal acts"load up the truck where headed to Beverly,Beverley Hills that is old Jeds a millionaire"

I always wanted me a cement pond(LOL)

[jkp1187]

Originally Posted by billamj

I've got to wonder what nutjob did to piss Lynne off. She can be very strong in her opinions when she thinks she is right, and this time I actually think that she is right.

Probably because preemption is really frickin' basic first-year Constitutional law stuff, and if you've managed to actually pass the bar exam, you only need a basic amount of oxygen getting to the brain to understand that the new Philadelphia gun do not pass muster under the Pennsylvania Constitution.

[Philadelphia]

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

She can't publicly acknowledge that Philadelphia crime is caused by Philadelphia residents. If she blames the voters, she won't be reelected.

The reality is that if you magically vaporised every Philadelphia resident (after giving warning to the dozen or so good people like Dan P), then brought in a million random folks from Iowa and Kentucky and Arizona, the crime rate would not mysteriously match the pre-vaporisation rate.

Philadelphia crime is caused by Philadelphia residents, primarily those residents who are unsupervised, fatherless, from families without earned income, from a subculture that respects rap singers and prison inmates while promoting non-snitching. They are either criminals or enablers for criminals. The culture finds nothing wrong with lying to the government so that Welfare or WIC or disability benefits can be received. I've worked with some of these people, and even the working folk casually discuss lying about income to get benefits, lying about the identity of their baby's daddies to get assistance.

Philadelphia's criminal culture is too corrupt and too prevalent for the city to be salvaged, absent a disaster. They blame guns, they blame Harrisburg, they blame white folks in the suburbs for ignoring the city. They blame everyone except the people who commit the crimes, the men and women who carelessly spawned them, the single moms who hang out at bars instead of supervising their bastard offspring.

Believe it or not, it's more like a 90/10 split with 10% being scuzzball criminals (or maybe as high as 20% but it's still far less than everyone).

That's still a lot of scuzzball criminals.

Oh, and I do blame the people who commit the crimes and those who raise (or really fail to raise) these monsters. I also do blame the burbs for attitudes such as yours (as in let philly stew in its own juices and then whine that it's a cesspool -- what do you expect?).

When roughly half the population is too poor to pay taxes and fully around 25% are below the poverty line, who pays for everything? Will you take in a population living below the poverty line (roughly 25% of the population) that numbers around 400,000? I didn't think so. What are your proposals for dealing with single moms, irresponsible fathers and their "bastard" children. Yes, the silence on that score remains deafening.

Push all the garbage under the rug in philly and then tell us what a problem we are. Thanks so much for your insight.

If H'burg has a solution to a problem that has been with us from the dawn of time (poverty and crime), please step in and implement it. If all folks want to do is point a finger and whine, well you're about as effective as Nutter.

The commonwealth as a whole has the same issues as philly, only on a lesser scale. Nobody wants to actually pay more for police, DA, prisons and recidivist programs but are only too eager to complain about crime. You can't have it both ways.

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia

...I also do blame the burbs for attitudes such as yours (as in let philly stew in its own juices and then whine that it's a cesspool -- what do you expect?).

When roughly half the population is too poor to pay taxes and fully around 25% are below the poverty line, who pays for everything? Will you take in a population living below the poverty line (roughly 25% of the population) that numbers around 400,000? I didn't think so. What are your proposals for dealing with single moms, irresponsible fathers and their "bastard" children. Yes, the silence on that score remains deafening.
....

When exactly did it become my responsibility to solve the problems of people who ignored all the advice they were given? Stay in school. Don't commit crimes. Don't do drugs. Girls, don't screw anyone until you're married, and don't marry some punk without a job or prospects.

OK, they ignore every bit of that, and now we have battalions of illiterate unwed crack moms with 3 kids, no father on the scene, no job prospects or job skills. The previous generation just like this produced squadrons of amoral thugs who skipped school until they dropped out, can't be trusted to sweep floors much less get on a career track, and they commit crimes the way I change TV channels.

Not surprisingly, these people have no jobs and are poor. Or they have jobs that don't require skills, punctuality, or trustworthiness. And they're poor. Poor is the default condition, you stay poor unless you can offer something of value to other people; that's the incentive to offer something of value instead of being a parasite.

So, NOW you come to me and ask me for advice and a bailout? After the choices have been made, after the hole is dug and the cretins jumped in? When did it become my duty to fix the consequences of the free choices made by other voting adults? If it's none of my business what goes on in the bedrooms of strangers, then it's really none of my business if the consenting adults involved have no money to buy food for their resulting kids. Poor people who spawn children will have poor children. Amazing, huh?

There was a time when men sought to establish themselves in careers before taking wives and siring children. Jumping directly to breeding will create poverty. Creating children who lack supervision will create criminals.

If you call the tune, then you pay the piper. This is not a new concept. It works. If you take charge of your own life, if you know better than all those neanderthals who talk about honor and ethics and hard work, then you get to reap what you've sown.

[FromMyColdDeadHands]

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

When exactly did it become my responsibility to solve the problems of people who ignored all the advice they were given? Stay in school. Don't commit crimes. Don't do drugs. Girls, don't screw anyone until you're married, and don't marry some punk without a job or prospects.

OK, they ignore every bit of that, and now we have battalions of illiterate unwed crack moms with 3 kids, no father on the scene, no job prospects or job skills. The previous generation just like this produced squadrons of amoral thugs who skipped school until they dropped out, can't be trusted to sweep floors much less get on a career track, and they commit crimes the way I change TV channels.

Not surprisingly, these people have no jobs and are poor. Or they have jobs that don't require skills, punctuality, or trustworthiness. And they're poor. Poor is the default condition, you stay poor unless you can offer something of value to other people; that's the incentive to offer something of value instead of being a parasite.

So, NOW you come to me and ask me for advice and a bailout? After the choices have been made, after the hole is dug and the cretins jumped in? When did it become my duty to fix the consequences of the free choices made by other voting adults? If it's none of my business what goes on in the bedrooms of strangers, then it's really none of my business if the consenting adults involved have no money to buy food for their resulting kids. Poor people who spawn children will have poor children. Amazing, huh?

There was a time when men sought to establish themselves in careers before taking wives and siring children. Jumping directly to breeding will create poverty. Creating children who lack supervision will create criminals.

If you call the tune, then you pay the piper. This is not a new concept. It works. If you take charge of your own life, if you know better than all those neanderthals who talk about honor and ethics and hard work, then you get to reap what you've sown.

WELL SAID!!!! I couldn't have said it better myself!!!

[JoeWilliams]

Gunlawyer, I think you are failing in your duty to feel guilty.

Not sure what we are supposed to feel guilty about, but somehow it's our fault so many Philly residents have turned their city into a cesspool.

[PAhunter]

Remember, Nutter ran on a “get tough on crime” platform.
I think he knew all along his attempts at legislating new gun laws would fail. The mere fact that he tried will be enough for him to be able to say later “ hey I tried to make the city safer but…….”. I think it is all part of trying to make his first 100 days in office seem momentous.
After a tour of duty as Mayor don’t you think he has his sights set on being Governor someday?

Jack