Here we go again! Bad guy with AK in HBG

[Lycanthrope]

Originally Posted by DeltaII5

I have no idea what a 7STW is. But I always see people say, my gun will peirce a XXmm plate, so I assume you had some .308ish rifle shooting some decent quality steel plates. I didn't know you hand loaded.

ETA: What do you mean T1? Tool Steel? Aluminum?

T1 is armor plate/bullet backstop for a lot of indoor ranges.

(sigh)

The 7STW is a 8mm Magnum necked down to 7mm. It is available as a factory chambered rifle through Remington, Winchester and Weatherby (perhaps more). With varmint bullets it destroys armor plate.

MOST hunting rifles and magnums will make short work of body armor.....even with varmint bullets. A .308 is NOT a magnum.

[Rule10b5]

Originally Posted by DeltaII5

Sorry my camera is being a pain in the ass. There's a set of my ceramic plates. Those are standalone level IV, throw some soft armor behind it and they are good for .30 cal AP. Check out the links below.


Your shooting at a low alloy steel plate. Not all steel is strong. Low alloy steel isn't much stronger than an aluminum alloy. Rifle plates are made of high alloy steels or ceramics because they resist the impact energy/melting.

Our gov't can be stupid. But they aren't going to issue body armor that won't stop bullets. That would be pretty pointless.

Most importantly.....These rounds were designed yeaaaaars ago(IE M855 was type classified in 1982). There was no body armor back then. Ceramic/Steel plates were designed years after this ammo came out, to protect against these rounds.

Couple Links for reading:

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/i...56mm_ammo.html

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/i...62mm_ammo.html

And it doesn't surprise me they showed Wolf and talked about their AP abilities lol.

Good point -- I completely forgot about ceramic. Silly question, though: How is it against multiple impacts? I've read in a couple of places that they're only good for one shot -- because the first hit will shatter/delaminate the plate? Is that true or just internet bullshit?

[DeltaII5]

First, if you want check out that other link. It goes into a little more detail about hunting rifles which Lycanthrope is talking about. It talks about the power the hunting rifles have, which I know nothing about. It also talks about true AP rounds. The military has tungsten cored rounds now, which will penetrate greatly.

People are right and wrong. When you see people talking about building a SHTF pack they buy steel plates for a reason.
Ceramic plates aren't "hard" like steel. Ceramic plates are more like kevlar. If you cut one open its layers of ceramic material and a liner that hold the layers together. When you get hit with a round it enters and breaks up on the material. It can absorb multiple hits, but then its trash. If you get hit in the same spot where there is a hole, your shit up a creek without a paddle. It can withstand multiple hits, but then your gonna need a new one. They hold together pretty well. A friend said one of his buddys got hit with 4 rounds at 50' and looked at the vest. It was swiss cheese, but he was still alive.
Steel on the other hand is rigid. It's more likely to only dent unless the bullet is powerfull enough to go through. Unless the energy is sufficient to change the chemical properties of the steel in that spot, it will largely retain its strength.
Ceramics are stronger, lighter but have to be replaced. Steel is heavier, but can be dropped without fear and is less likely to need to be replaced.

Check out Kejo and bulletproofme.com they have plates at a cheap price if anyone is building a SHTF setup.

[1FingrCHan]

No thing protect better than a feet of sand against small arms fire, he he he
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot7.htm
Cheap and plentiful. Those in science seem to ignore the obvious. They should find out how sand stop bullets and design a vest that have this property. On the molecular level, the theory might work. Just my two cents for today...


1FingrCHan

[DeltaII5]

Originally Posted by 1FingrCHan

No thing protect better than a feet of sand against small arms fire, he he he
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot7.htm
Cheap and plentiful. Those in science seem to ignore the obvious. They should find out how sand stop bullets and design a vest that have this property. On the molecular level, the theory might work. Just my two cents for today...


1FingrCHan

I've read that one before, it has to be the most interesting Box o Truth article I've ever read. A must read.

[Brick]

Would someone in the Harrisburg area please try to keep up with this story? It would be interesting to learn if this creep had prior convictions that eliminated him from legal gun possession and how he obtained the gun. Likewise, we should now if he's charged with and tried for illegal gun possession if that is the case.

[Little Joe]

Can you really purchase armor-piercing ammo easily or are they just misrepresenting the truth?

Steel cored 7.62x39 is classified as armor piercing becuse it has a little more penetration than a lead cored round, however it is not really AP ammo. Steel was just cheaper than lead. And it's reletively easy to find it, you just have to pay an arm and a leg for most of the time. So the answer is yes and no.

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Originally Posted by LorDiego01
I believe its pretty easy and not too expensive to boot.

Just look around for Steel Core rounds.


Thats just about all Mil surp Wolf and Golden Tiger. Lead is a little expensive in Russia

All Wolf and Golden Tiger (and any other currently imported 7.62x39) are lead core rounds or they could not be imported due to the classifiaction of steel cored rounds as AP.

As far as it not being too expensive, I agree that it can be found pretty reasonable (I have approx. 700 rnds of chinese steel core all bought for 15 to 17 cents per round, includung a 550 rd. spam can for $110), but the norm right now is $200+ per spam can. (makes me wish I hadn't opened the can, I could have almost doubled my money!

-Joe-

[dtree25]

well now- I own a romanian ak I have four thirty round mags. and four twenty round mags. loaded and ready to rock at any time!And I do believe any 7.62x39 full metal jacket;ie wolf ammo that I shootwill penetrate soft body armor.This does not mean I"m a punk or gang member. I get so sick of the news media painting this picture everytime something like this happens/why can't they say the truth? [stupid druggy, gang member shoots it out with area police using a semi-auto rifle]But I guess that does'nt sell papers like the truth!!

[Willtallica]

Well even if the bullet can't pierce the material I'm sure thousands of pounds of force will still knock one down pretty hard. Multiple deflected hits could still kill you from internal bleeding. On the military channel, a soldiers helmet got hit by an AK round. It sent him flying backwards, and his helmet flew right off his head. He landed on his back, and discovered that he wasn't actually shot.