Forum Rules & Enforcement Completely Re-vamped and updated.

[Rule10b5]

Everything looks fine to me except for the profanity rule -- I don't like that at all.

The are some situations and circumstances that require a well-placed expletive -- and attempting to satisfy those situations with softer or rewritten language cheapens the intent and feeling behind the post. I've always considered PAFOA as one of the best places on the net to rant/rave about firearms/gun rights/ etc. Those topics hold a lot of emotion for me -- and sometimes they require profanity.

Online dialog has no conveyance of emotion. No tone of voice, no facial expression, no body language. Profanity can substitute for that, and it allows people to convey the real meaning underlying a post. Absent profanity, some posts fall flat.

Everyone here is an adult. We have all heard the "bad" words a million times. And with rare exception we all use them. Some of us more than others. Except for when I'm on the record in court, I'm renowned for being foul mouthed (even among lawyers, who make marines look like rank amateurs when it comes to profanity -- trust me on this one: until you've heard a 75 year old attorney who looks and sounds like your grandmother call you a "f---ing c---sucker," at the top of her lungs in front of a federal judge and just as the court reporter switches off her stenography machine and tape recorder you haven't heard profanity).

Really, honestly: Are there any delicate flowers here that are going to wilt at the prospect of a well-placed f-bomb?

[P-11 shooter]

Dan, I totally see the need for this new rule system. However it's really sad we do need it. I think the old rules were VERY well written. It's a shame they weren't good enough.

[Mtbkski]

Need a way of checking what our point totals are to see how close we are to being banned or getting spanked.

Do mods send warnings that we have such and such points?

Do we lose points for being good over time?

[mikepro8]

Originally Posted by RocketFoot

It's growing pains guys...as the forum gets bigger, rules have to instituted that will protect the NPO as well as the members. I don't think the Admin is asking anything out of the ordinary. It's all just common sense and good forum etiquette...

Preach it. My sentiments exactly. If you read the rules, they work for everyday life too. Expressing one's opinion is fine, trying to ram it down someone else's throat is generally excessive and actually detrimental. I saw it alot in the "what pisses me off" thread. I hope that some of the people expressing their opinions in that thread dont reguarly argue for second ammendment rights... sometimes it doesnt take much for me to wonder why some poeple think we are "gun nuts" and not firearms owners.

[Gary in Pennsylvania]

Originally Posted by p-11 shooter

Dan, I totally see the need for this new rule system. However it's really sad we do need it. I think the old rules were VERY well written. It's a shame they weren't good enough.

Naw…..
It comes with the territory. PAFOA is growing very fast. When I joined in summerish (I forget) 2006, we had only about 500 members. The more we get, the greater the need for defined rules to govern order. That’s typical no matter where you go – forums, your employer, military, etc…
This is normal.

Also keep in mind – PAFOA is INCORPORATED.
We’re a NFP .org.

And if Doug has future plans to use our growing members’ voices, funds, whatever, as legislative leverage to help Pennsylvania gun owners…….his/our credibility can be quickly undermined if oppositions sifts through our threads and see childish name calling, severe profanity, or unreasonable personal attacks, etc…..
Catch my drift?

I support Doug and PAFOA. He lets us say what we want……he just expects us to talk to one another as if we were shootin’ the bull at a nice restaurant table…..and NOT as if we were loaded at the bar of a local tavern.

[Nate]

2 questions, 2 comments...

Will I be informed of what i did wrong if i ever get points, or god forbid, banned???

Sometimes I post a good deal i see on computer related products (very rarely), Will that get me banned??? It's not like I make $ on anything, I just like sharing cash saving items to those of us who are not so well off or like saving $$$.

pending the answer to those questions, I like what I see with the new rules.

Originally Posted by D-FENS

I'd rather stay as far away from this as possible but want to suggest something that's really been eating at my puppet. EXCESSIVE POSTING!!!

Is there any way to crackdown on excessive posting? I'd be the last person to complain over a one-liner, off topic. But there's been a massive influx of people treating posts like the Flashchat. I guess I am just tired of reading through a multi-page post and for 2 solid pages it's like.

Tard1: Oh Noes! I hope Tard2 doesn't see this!!
Tard2: Hai. I got the PM's and wanted to add <insert something stupid here>
Tard3: OMFG +1+1+1
Tard1: I must spread it around before giving rep to Tard2 again.
Tard2: Lolz, it's ok.
Tard3: Don't worry Tard1, I got him for you.
Tard1: BTW, Tard1, Tard2 are you coming to the TardTown OC dinner on Tuesday?

If it's not obvious, I am just absolutely freaking sick of reading through excess posts (things covered in another thread, or should be covered in a thread or PM. Meaning, NOT FREAKING RELEVANT TO ANYONE READING IT and least of all, to the thread at hand)

/k, rants over.

+1!!!!!!!
YES!!!! rep for you my friend!!!!

[P-11 shooter]

You get a PM telling you what you did wrong, and how long your spanking is for.

[LorDiego01]

Originally Posted by D-FENS

Tard1: Oh Noes! I hope Tard2 doesn't see this!!
Tard2: Hai. I got the PM's and wanted to add <insert something stupid here>
Tard3: OMFG +1+1+1
Tard1: I must spread it around before giving rep to Tard2 again.
Tard2: Lolz, it's ok.
Tard3: Don't worry Tard1, I got him for you.
Tard1: BTW, Tard1, Tard2 are you coming to the TardTown OC dinner on Tuesday?

I'll be damned if thats not a fantastic post D-Fens.

I think that threads made where people basically say.. "Hey! I'll give you positive rep if you give me positive rep" should be handled like the rest of the SPAM on here.

[Chazman321]

I give it a week... before I'm banned... lol

I've never been banned before... And if I do infact get banned, am I no longer allowed to go to the group shoots? Would I have to take PAFOA off of my personal business cards and my resume of organizations I belong to?


Chazmanyvariablesman321

[PisnNapalm]

My hats off to the PAFOA management! I read through the rules. I love 'em!

They appear to be very well written and thought out. I wish all forum owners cared as much as they do.