Looking for competition in philadelphia area

[marinakorp]

Originally Posted by dgg9

A question: how many experienced and well-trained shooters, with many training courses under their belt, do you know of that have been willing to pay and wait for the LPRGC's home-made courses?

I believe the club has turned out more than one state champion in several IDPA classes... all the way up to MASTER.

The "basic" courses are NRA courses... so not home made by any stretch of the imagination. They are geared so that the instructors get a chance to evaluate all the students, and provide instruction from the "novice" to the "expert".

The Skills assessment, while home grown to a point, is based on shooter skill, quickness, and accuracy.

Drawing from holster, fire x rounds in under x seconds...different distances, strong / support hand / freestyle, etc. If you pass the time limits, you are then graded on your accuracy... pass both, you qualify. Do well on the Accuracy, you can be action qualified. Fail the qualifier, show up on tuesday nights and practice these skills until you qualify.

The courses are not mandatory EVERY year... just passing the qualifier is (in order to be holster qualified

With so many training courses under one's belt, the qualifier should be a breeze. Everyone needs to be evaluated. There is no "testing out" of this requirement. If all must take the same steps, everyone is exposed to the same information and everyone has the same background, so there is no misunderstanding. Everyone has the same expectation of safety and can recognize when it is not being exercised.

I would imagine that someone with an extensive background in training would appreciate that.

[Hawk]

Move to Pittsburgh!

At PMSC we have at least 10 outdoor pistol bays that any member can use 9-9, 7 days a week. The club provides mobile target holders and you can set them up anyway you want (safely). You can draw from a holster and employ rapid fire. You can shoot by yourself or with friends. We are currently building a new bay for 3 gun (100 yards long).
Most of the guys shoot IPSC and the IPSC group host matches in the spring - summer - fall month's.

Hawk,

[marinakorp]

Originally Posted by Hawk

Move to Pittsburgh!

Might be out there this weekend.... is it a private club?

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by marinakorp

With so many training courses under one's belt, the qualifier should be a breeze. Everyone needs to be evaluated. There is no "testing out" of this requirement.

I was told that all new members (or at least those who want to draw from holster) had to actually take all the courses, NOT just a qualifier. A qualifier I could deal with. Being forced to take all-day basic courses I could not deal with.

[marinakorp]

Originally Posted by dgg9

I was told that all new members (or at least those who want to draw from holster) had to actually take all the courses, NOT just a qualifier. A qualifier I could deal with. Being forced to take all-day basic courses I could not deal with.

Yes, all must take the courses. They are mandatory. It is more than the "book" course, you get exposure to all of the instructors. The ratio of Instructors to students was 1/1.

they are not all day


A few hours a night over the period of a week for each course(M,W,F 6pm - 10 or so... ) ... not that bad a deal. Not just "book" , but hands on shooting ,etc. yes , there is some class room training.

If a shooter wants to go from holster... that is the requirement. not a difficult one, but one that does require some committment from a shooter, and a skills assessment at the end.


Not many places in Eastern PA willing to let people shoot from holster...seems like a small price to pay for the benefit...

[Hawk]

Originally Posted by marinakorp

Might be out there this weekend.... is it a private club?

Yes it is private, but allot of events are open to public.

This weekend (open to public):
Trap - Saturday 10 AM, Sunday 1PM
CMP practice Rifle shoot - Sunday 9AM

Club Website: http://www.pmsconline.com/

Hawk,

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by marinakorp

Yes, all must take the courses.

The last time this subject came up (a while ago...maybe a year?), the courses were super-expensive and there was something like an 8 month wait for them.

I'll indulge NIH up to a certain point, but after that point, the lack of an equivalency qualifier, and the belief that these courses are even remotely equal to the all-weekend course you take from top-tier instructors, is a little too grating. A skills-assessment qualifier is fine, really. But being forced to take expensive and unnecessary basic classes that I'm way over-qualified for seems like a racket to sell classes.

ETA: here's the previous thread about all this:

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/montgomer...-gun-club.html

[marinakorp]

Originally Posted by Hawk

Yes it is private, but allot of events are open to public.

This weekend (open to public):
Trap - Saturday 10 AM, Sunday 1PM
CMP practice Rifle shoot - Sunday 9AM

Club Website: http://www.pmsconline.com/

Hawk,

hrrrm.... The sunday 9am CMP seems like fun. Might have to pack the AR-15...

Thanks for the tip

Trap might be a little late in the day for me to get back to Philly in a reasonable amount of time... but a 9am CMP... done by 12:00 or so might fit the bill

[Pacer]

As I stated before, and has been overlooked, LanghorneRodandGunclub.org has an "only hits count" action pistol -like- event every first Saturday.

Half the instructor/match director team believes that YOU solve the problem YOUR way, only you are penalized if you PLANT too long and fail to "GET OFF THE X" against adversaries. We are also re-introducing airsoft force on force on the third weekends shortly.

MEMBERS hav access to the club 360 days 9am till legal sunset, and if the range is otherwise empty (common firing line) you may draw and shoot, every shot must be "aimed"

IF you want more special than that, like "rapid fire" you must see the Chief Range Safety Officer or his designee (me) and meet the board...especially since we recently had an Self inflicted injury from an ND on reholstering or draw(investigation still ongoing)

THIS SATURDAY IS AN INSIDE EVOLUTION at static targets, in drill, with "DRAW FROM HOLSTER, and LOW LIGHT/FLASHLIGHT stages.

Starts at 9 AM. All welcome.

Pacer.
President LanghorneRodandGunClub.org

[marinakorp]

Originally Posted by dgg9

The last time this subject came up (a while ago...maybe a year?), the courses were super-expensive and there was something like an 8 month wait for them.

I'll indulge NIH up to a certain point, but after that point, the lack of an equivalency qualifier, and the belief that these courses are even remotely equal to the all-weekend course you take from top-tier instructors, is a little too grating. A skills-assessment qualifier is fine, really. But being forced to take expensive and unnecessary basic classes that I'm way over-qualified for seems like a racket to sell classes.

To each their own.

For the 2 courses... was 225 or so. I believe that is the price set by the NRA ( I could be wrong). They were offered (i beleive) in June - Sept... signup in Jan. They fill up quickly... so yes, over 8 months... or a year plus in some cases to be holster qualified.

If a shooter wants to draw from a holster... that is the requirement. Like it or not. Those are the rules. Regardless of prior training. Everyone is equal

If a shooter does not want to draw from a holster, shoot from a bench, etc... the courses are not mandatory. Thes is a REAL basic qualifier to use the indoor facilities.... just no drawing from a holster.