Looking for competition in philadelphia area

[MarcS]

Anyone have any experience with Southern chester county. they don't seem to have a specific USPSA sight. Wondering if the range itself is friendly to that type of shooting by qualified persons other than just once a month

[imashooter2]

Guthsville should have a match set up on the indoor range this coming Sunday. I've shot a few of the indoor matches now. Not as much movement in the restricted space. They'll probably shoot more "standards" than usual. On the up side, they'll fire up a couple of bullet heaters and you will stay considerably warmer. It can get cold in the foothills of the Poconos.

[marinakorp]

"I'm not interested in practicing other peoples shitty tactics, i'd rather use my own."


Well, since you are not interested in the scripted tactics of any particular known competition, then you have a few options


1 - Use the existing competitions (IDPA, or whatever) as a baseline, and do not pay attention to the retention policies, incur the penalties (it is only time, and you are interested in tactics).

As long as you are safe, and do not violate a 180 degree(or any other safety policy)... don't think anyone is going to have a problem with that. You might incur other penalties ,like a FTDR, or some thing ... but again you are only interested in using your own tactics, not time.

Realising that IDPA and other are really a GAME, and not tactical training. It is a fun sport, lets you fire a bunch of rounds in a somewhat "real" type situation. Yes it is scripted, but unless you are shooting a hogans alley of some sort... this is what you may be stuck with.

2 - Go to Tactical Scools, and take some tactical training courses. There are a few out there

3 - Join a club, that allows you to shoot from a holster and create your own scenarios. Not sure that there are many around that will allow that. If you find one, might be a good place to start.

Would be a good place apply some of the tactics that you learned in the school, exchange knowlege with the poeple of the club, and potentially nearn some new tactics.

4 - Buy a lot of land and setup your own stages as you see fit.

[MarcS]

Originally Posted by marinakorp

"I'm not interested in practicing other peoples shitty tactics, i'd rather use my own."


Well, since you are not interested in the scripted tactics of any particular known competition, then you have a few options


1 - Use the existing competitions (IDPA, or whatever) as a baseline, and do not pay attention to the retention policies, incur the penalties (it is only time, and you are interested in tactics).

As long as you are safe, and do not violate a 180 degree(or any other safety policy)... don't think anyone is going to have a problem with that. You might incur other penalties ,like a FTDR, or some thing ... but again you are only interested in using your own tactics, not time.

Realising that IDPA and other are really a GAME, and not tactical training. It is a fun sport, lets you fire a bunch of rounds in a somewhat "real" type situation. Yes it is scripted, but unless you are shooting a hogans alley of some sort... this is what you may be stuck with.

Done that a couple times before. it was not particularly fun. Some people get irritated with you for continual FTDR's. I'm not particularly interested in working on my tactics, simply practicing my skills, so i'd rather find a game that knows it's a game.

2 - Go to Tactical Scools, and take some tactical training courses. There are a few out there

I'm the last person on here that needs that advice.

3 - Join a club, that allows you to shoot from a holster and create your own scenarios. Not sure that there are many around that will allow that. If you find one, might be a good place to start.

Not from around philly are you? They don't exist

[ted murphy]

Originally Posted by MarcS

Anyone have any experience with Southern chester county. they don't seem to have a specific USPSA sight. Wondering if the range itself is friendly to that type of shooting by qualified persons other than just once a month

It is a very nice range. Been a long while since I was out that way though. I have several friends who shoot there regularly. This is what they told me about the range.

Because of the noise issues with neighbors, you have to shoot from under covered positions. They did make a deal with the neighbors that for the USPSA matches they can go out on the range and move around.

[MarcS]

Originally Posted by ted murphy

It is a very nice range. Been a long while since I was out that way though. I have several friends who shoot there regularly. This is what they told me about the range.

Because of the noise issues with neighbors, you have to shoot from under covered positions. They did make a deal with the neighbors that for the USPSA matches they can go out on the range and move around.

Thanks ted. My last range succumbed to neighbor issues. lack of open space is an ever present problem in this area

[marinakorp]

I seem to be getting confused a little here.

Your posts seem to indicate that you were dissatisfied with IDPA (and or other disciplines) for being too restrictive and that you did not want to have someone else impose their notion of tactics on you, because you wanted to do it your self (I'm paraphrasing a little here, but I believe that to be the essence of your statements). Whether it is tactical re-load (re-load with retentions) or shooting in a tactical sequence.

I can understand that.

In your last response to me, you state that it is not the tactical aspect that you wish to work on, but the basic skills.

Most of the shooting sports are designed to test the basic skills. As long as that is what you are looking to get out of them... they are fine for that purpose.

Draw from holster (IDPA, Steel shoots, Many others)
Draw from Concealment (IDPA). True, can't draw from a shoulder holster or a few others due to safety for others... but that is understandable
Target acquisition.. well all do that
Movement with a weapon, use of Cover... IDPA, and a few others.

If you ignore the "rules" of the game (all games have rules) in terms of tactical sequence and tactical re-loads and not the safety aspects... sounds like an excellent way to practice / hone your skills.


My second recommendation was to attend a tactical schools. Your response was that you were the last person who needed this advice. ... "Most people don't know what they don't know".

I offered that as a suggestion because you were looking to work on your tactical skills... or so I though from your post. Seems that you have the tactics down pat and are good to go. Only need to hone your skills... got it.

That can be done at home, with a lot of dry firing, weapons drawing skills, target acquisition, etc.

As far as clubs allowing you to draw from a holster. I believe that they are out there. There are rules that need to be followed ... mostly for safety (yours, the clubs, other shooters, and the neighbors).


Good luck in your quest. I'm not sure of what it is exactly you are looking for, but I hope you the best in getting what you want out of a club.

[MarcS]

here's the deal, i think IDPA is muddied by the fact that they attempt to insert tactics into the competition which just leads to scripting. IMO it's a dance routine.

What i want to get out of competitions is practicing skills, which are distinctly different than tactics. By practicing skills i mean ad nauseum repetition of fundamentals at increasing speed and accuracy.

For tactics, I attend training or practice with similarly trained individuals continually.

Certainly, if you know of any ranges where you can practice drawing movement and so-forth, please speak up.

[marinakorp]

"Certainly, if you know of any ranges where you can practice drawing movement and so-forth, please speak up."

As another poster already stated, in your area...


Lower Providence Rod and Gun Club.

Sure...
There are some courses that are mandatory in order to be granted the privilege of drawing from a holster and moving from cover to cover... on your own.

I believe there is an annual skills qualifier that must be passed in order to be qualified for this privilege as well.

Seems like a relatively small price to pay for such a great benefit.

If a shooter does not qualify, the shooter is invited to attend the pistol group's practice night (Tuesday), where "ad nauseum repetition of fundamentals" aimed "at increasing speed and accuracy" is practiced. Movement is part of the practice.

Lacking this resource, the other way to practice the fundamentals is to perform ad nauseam repetition of drawing and dry firing at home...weapon unloaded of course, and pointed in a safe direction.

Without knowing what your definition of adnauseam fundamentals is... it is hard to say if this is what you are looking for.

"For tactics, I attend training or practice with similarly trained individuals continually."

Can you point me to where this is occurring? I would love to take some of these myself. If they are local, sounds like an ideal place to practice..

Shooting some steel plate matches might be a little better suited for your tastes... but they do have some limitations, like having to shoot a particular plate last... which is designed to stop the clock.

Please elaborate on your definition of Adnauseam fundamentals... might be able to help you in finding the right shooting competition sport for you.

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by marinakorp

Lower Providence Rod and Gun Club.

Sure...
There are some courses that are mandatory in order to be granted the privilege of drawing from a holster and moving from cover to cover... on your own.

I believe there is an annual skills qualifier that must be passed in order to be qualified for this privilege as well.

Seems like a relatively small price to pay for such a great benefit.

A question: how many experienced and well-trained shooters, with many training courses under their belt, do you know of that have been willing to pay and wait for the LPRGC's home-made courses?